What if wisdom begins when we stop trying to prove we are right? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, Rishi and Jeff sit down with Kim Scott, bestselling author of Radical Candor and Radical Respect, to explore the difference between being right and getting it right. Kim reflects on the early lesson that taught her to listen when others tell us how our behavior affects them, why meaningful feedback must often be actively invited, and what leaders can do to make candor feel safe enough to surface. From shutting down a startup she realized was working against genuine human connection to learning through writing, disagreement, failure, and nature, she shows how humility and openness can move us closer to the truth. And through stories from Google, Steve Jobs, and her own life, Kim reveals why wisdom is not about protecting what we already believe, but creating the conditions to discover what is actually right.

What if wisdom begins when we stop trying to prove we are right? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, Rishi and Jeff sit down with Kim Scott, bestselling author of Radical Candor and Radical Respect, to explore the difference between being right and getting it right. Kim reflects on the early lesson that taught her to listen when others tell us how our behavior affects them, why meaningful feedback must often be actively invited, and what leaders can do to make candor feel safe enough to surface. From shutting down a startup she realized was working against genuine human connection to learning through writing, disagreement, failure, and nature, she shows how humility and openness can move us closer to the truth. And through stories from Google, Steve Jobs, and her own life, Kim reveals why wisdom is not about protecting what we already believe, but creating the conditions to discover what is actually right.

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4. Kim Scott: The Radical Wisdom in Getting it Right (vs. Being Right)

What does it take to "story see" the wisdom of a moment, and then storytell it to the world? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, Rishi and Jeff sit down with the legendary broadcaster Bob Costas to explore the curiosity, preparation, and lived experience behind his remarkable career. Bob reflects on how a difficult childhood taught him to look beneath the surface, why great storytelling begins with respecting the wisdom of an audience, and how he learned to become both a witness and narrator of history. From Michael Jordan's iconic final shot as a Chicago Bull, to a locker room act of decency by baseball legend Stan Musial, he reveals why wisdom lies in seeing the full texture of a moment and why - in an age filled with noise and hot takes - moments of kindness and goodness may be the stories most worth telling.

What does it take to "story see" the wisdom of a moment, and then storytell it to the world? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, Rishi and Jeff sit down with the legendary broadcaster Bob Costas to explore the curiosity, preparation, and lived experience behind his remarkable career. Bob reflects on how a difficult childhood taught him to look beneath the surface, why great storytelling begins with respecting the wisdom of an audience, and how he learned to become both a witness and narrator of history. From Michael Jordan's iconic final shot as a Chicago Bull, to a locker room act of decency by baseball legend Stan Musial, he reveals why wisdom lies in seeing the full texture of a moment and why - in an age filled with noise and hot takes - moments of kindness and goodness may be the stories most worth telling.

3. Bob Costas: Why the Score is Never the Real Story

What does it mean to become wiser in a world overflowing with information? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, hosts Rishi and Jeff sit down with Dr. Sanjay Gupta to explore why wisdom comes not just from knowledge, but from lived experience. Gupta reflects on the advice that shaped his career, the importance of asking better questions, and learning to recognise what truly gives us energy. From saying yes to unexpected opportunities to building habits that shape the brain, he shares how curiosity, reflection and discernment can help us make better choices, and why wisdom may remain uniquely human in the age of AI.

What does it mean to become wiser in a world overflowing with information? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, hosts Rishi and Jeff sit down with Dr. Sanjay Gupta to explore why wisdom comes not just from knowledge, but from lived experience. Gupta reflects on the advice that shaped his career, the importance of asking better questions, and learning to recognise what truly gives us energy. From saying yes to unexpected opportunities to building habits that shape the brain, he shares how curiosity, reflection and discernment can help us make better choices, and why wisdom may remain uniquely human in the age of AI.

2. Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why There Will Never Be Artificial Wisdom

What does it actually mean to lead with wisdom? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, hosts Rishi and Jeff sit down with corporate trailblazer Indra Nooyi to explore the art and science of active learning, observation, and tapping into the knowledge of those around us. Nooyi shares how she approaches the concept of "applied wisdom"- treating every individual, from front-line workers to family members, as a teacher. Through deeply personal anecdotes from her childhood in India and her historic corporate career, she reveals how true leadership requires balancing power with deep humility, maintaining an insatiable curiosity, and mastering the crucial skill of "zooming in" to details while "zooming out" to think big.

What does it actually mean to lead with wisdom? In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, hosts Rishi and Jeff sit down with corporate trailblazer Indra Nooyi to explore the art and science of active learning, observation, and tapping into the knowledge of those around us. Nooyi shares how she approaches the concept of "applied wisdom"- treating every individual, from front-line workers to family members, as a teacher. Through deeply personal anecdotes from her childhood in India and her historic corporate career, she reveals how true leadership requires balancing power with deep humility, maintaining an insatiable curiosity, and mastering the crucial skill of "zooming in" to details while "zooming out" to think big.

1. Indra Nooyi: Leave the Crown in the Garage

Welcome to Hidden Wisdom: the art and science of seeking and wisdom in people near and far. Our first season, beginning with former PepsiCo Chair and CEO Indra Nooyi, features inspired conversations with remarkable leaders who have been transformed by the wisdom around them. In an age in which intelligence is abundant, we've entered the Wisdom Era, and Hidden Wisdom seeks to advance a world where wisdom-seeking - and wisdom-seeing - is not left to chance.

Welcome to Hidden Wisdom: the art and science of seeking and wisdom in people near and far. Our first season, beginning with former PepsiCo Chair and CEO Indra Nooyi, features inspired conversations with remarkable leaders who have been transformed by the wisdom around them. In an age in which intelligence is abundant, we've entered the Wisdom Era, and Hidden Wisdom seeks to advance a world where wisdom-seeking - and wisdom-seeing - is not left to chance.

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