John Hall, you may remember from a couple of episodes ago, is the founder of the band Orleans. He recently released a solo album, his seventh (if you count the John Hall Band material). After spending some time in local and national politics, he returned to Orleans and they're still making music. In fact, at the time of the previous interview they were putting the finishing touches on Orleans' first Christmas album. That album is now finished and is available for your purchasing and listening pleasure. It's called New Star Shining, and it's a great piece of work. There's a lot of original material, a traditional Christmas carol and a single song from more recent holiday music canon. For lack of a better term, it's a kind of Yacht Rock Christmas album. I think the rowdiest track on it is their version of "Winter Wonderland." John and I met in the atrium of a Nashville hotel (more details during the show itself), and I do hope you'll forgive a little ambient noise. Plus, there was a little bit of both of us fidgeting with our handheld microphones. For all that, once again John comes through as a very thoughtful fellow. By that I mean he's not spouting out canned answers to the questions I asked (although some of them were inadvertentely rehearsed--my recorder failed and we had to start over again). And even with that technical glitch, he was both gracious and forgiving, and managed to make me feel not as stupid as I originally felt when I looked at the recorder in horror and realized what happened. Also, I'm a complete idiot because I didn't ask for an autograph, or a selfie of the two of us, or anything. So this recording is the only evidence that we were in the same space together. As an aside, the next day I was in the Podcast Movement conference and chatting with the people from ElectroVoice Microphones. I was using some new EV microphones for the interview. I told them about my interview "right over there in the atrium," and some of the issues I had with the fidgeting noises and such. While we chatted, one of the EV reps walked away and then came back. He handed me a box and said, "Here, try this one." It was a different model microphone, which he said would probably solve that problem. Boom! Free microphone! I used it to record some other material you'll hear in an upcoming episode and I think you'll notice the difference! This is why I worship at the Church of ElectroVoice. I did get the opportunity to thank them again a couple of days later. So here is my follow-up interview with John, which we did during the first week of August this past summer. Enjoy! Sorry, no transcript available for this episode. Enjoy this instead. Click here to support the show as a Patron.

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148: Another Chat With John Hall

I gotta tell you, I've been trying like a maniac to record this episode for several days. I typically take a break in August when I go to the Podcast Movement confab (every other year, it seems), and I come back with a bunch of actionable ideas and a few new contacts, and I kind of have to let it percolate in my head before I'm ready to come back. In the meantime, I was working on a David Bowie episode, and I frankly got writer's block. I was going in a hundred directions at once, and the story wasn't jelling right for me, so finally I abandoned it in favor of this one. And then, both of the computers that I use to produce this show died on me within a day of one another. I knew they were probably fixable, so I took them to my local shop, a guy I've used for years and would trust with my search history at this point. My problem is that he's really, really good and other people have figured it out, so now instead of a few days, the repairs are more like two weeks. I decided to persevere--after all, I don't use the desktops when I'm in the Southern Studio, right? But for whatever reason, the laptop wasn't cooperating with recording. I sounded bad. I mean, really bad. After three fixes and three re-tries, it still sounded terrible. But fortunately, I got the word that the computers were ready for pickup this morning. So I spent a chunk of the evening re-assembling my studio (with the able help of my daughter), and then re-re-re-recorded the show. By this point I nearly had the thing memorized and I barely glanced at the script. Anyway, it's been a frustrating few weeks and I thank you for hanging in there with me. I do have some cool stuff coming up over the next few episodes, some of it related to my trip to Nashville. I also have something that I've never done before: I'm working on a special Patron Exclusive episode which should be ready to go pretty soon. I had a pretty cool idea but it cost me a few bucks to get the source material, so I figured that the people whose donations made it possible for me to make that purchase should get first crack at it. And, incidentally, during this hiatus they got a newsletter every week except one, when I made the inexplicable mistake a couple of weeks ago of writing a newsletter and then not sending it out. Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to support the show as a patron.

147: 99 Luftballons

John Hall has been around the block a few times, and he's not finished traveling. In fact, when he and I chatted via Skype a short time ago, he was in the middle of a move from New York to Tennessee, and making that move in between gigs for both his solo shows and with the band that cemented his position in the Rock and Roll firmament, Orleans. In this episode we talk about the early days of his career, including how a couple of Orleans' first few hits came to be. We also get into his time away from the band, working on solo projects and how that turned into dedicating himself to environmental causes. And how that, in turn, provided the impetus for him to embark on a political career for several years. He managed to sponsor some legislation that not only received vocal bipartisan support, it actually passed with a bipartisan vote. It was a pretty significant piece of law, and he'll tell you about it during the show. After a health scare, John returned to playing music, both with Orleans and with his solo projects. He chronicled his journey in a book called Still the One: A Rock and Roll Journey to Congress and Back a couple of years ago, and this past year he released a solo album called Reclaiming My Time. (These are Amazon links but I don't get affiliate money for them.) And during the interview he also talks about a special project that Orleans is working on, which will be coming out in the fall. During the interview, I made mention of Orleans performing "Dancing in the Moonlight" and mistakenly said I thought the clip was from the late 70s, when they first covered it as the title track for an album. In fact, that performance was from 2006 and I present it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7QMsALoZMQ&ab_channel=JohnMarsden Sorry, no transcript for this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

146: A Chat With John Hall

Original cover photo by  awatif abdulaziz  on  Scopio Olivia Newton-John was already a pretty big star by the time 1974 rolled around, but she still hadn't scored a Number One hit. Then along came Peter Allen, who was coincidentally also from Australia. Allen was putting together an album of his own, and he enlisted Jeff Barry to help him with the songwriting. Together they put together "I Honestly Love You" and cut a demo. The intent of the demo was to have something to work from when they recorded it for the album. Instead the demo wound up in the hands of Olivia Newton-John's producer, who played it for the singer. And the rest, as they say, is history. Except, not quite. There were a couple of other things that needed to happen. But if I told you here, why would you bother listening to the episode? I ask you! Because this episode is running a few days late, you're getting a treat: Episode 146, which will be an interview with John Hall, founder of the band Orleans, will drop either Monday or Tuesday, depending on how quickly I finish my post-production. Hall was a terrific interview and I hope to do a follow-up with him in the near future. Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

145: I Honestly Love You

The interesting thing about this song is that it was written for a specific singer. That said, it's been a pretty big hit for many different artists over the years. "Everlasting Love" was written in 1967 specifically to match Robert Knight's voice, but it's proven to be quite the malleable tune. It's been rendered in R&B, in disco, in rock, in techno and god knows what else. So the story behind the song isn't incredibly interesting. Interesting, but not incredibly so. But the journey it's taken to embed itself in the hearts of different generations is a fun one. Ride along with me, why don't you?. This is not the episode that I teased earlier. That one's still coming; there's an interview attached to it and we've had some scheduling issues. As promised, here's the video of the song by Sandra from 1987. It's got a very 80s feel to it. I think that comes from the editing and the "backstage" feel it's supposed to be conveying. I dare you to tell me I'm lying about the Natalie Wood thing: Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

144: Everlasting Love

Since I was a young adult, I've liked listening to Janis Joplin. That bluesy rasp she always had going on really underlined her overall sound. And like so many others my age, I devoured her biography Buried Alive. One of the things that struck me then was the way so many of the people from her hometown of Port Arthur, Texas, thought she'd ruined her voice because she'd sounded sweeter and purer as a teenager. Of course, they also bullied the hell out of her because she had an artistic mindset and she wasn't a racist at heart. (She did drop the N-bomb from time to time because it was originally the only word she had in her vocabulary for Black people.) The other thing that struck me was that in all of her photos she seemed like kind of a mess. Her hair was everywhere. She wore a million beaded necklaces. She had the baggy, shapeless clothes on. In short, she looked kind of scuzzy and while it kind of matched her sound, it belied the emotion behind her delivery. It wasn't until a few years ago when I saw a black-and-white nude she'd done in 1967, that I was able to see her differently. In that image, taken by Bob Seidemann but not released until after her death, her hair is a little more under control. She's still wearing lots of necklaces, but now they're nearly her only defense against the camera's eye. She's got some curves going on that you never suspected were there. But her face...her face is an expression of vulnerability, maybe even fright. You can see it in the cropped closeup to the right which I'm pretty sure is from the same session. Janis was always artistically naked on the stage, but now she was giving us a literal nakedness that allowed the young woman behind the bawdy broad to shine through. And I think that might be at the heart of her rendition of "Me and Bobby McGee." Janis was able to channel more of a bittersweet sound than her usual Kozmic Blues thing, and then when the band opens up toward the end of the record, she's just along for the ride. Click here to become a patron of the show. Click here for a transcript of this episode.

143: Me and Bobby McGee

This week I've got something extra-special for you. It's an interview with Anthony Robustelli, whom I got to speak with recently via Skype. Anthony is a musician who has toured with lots of big-name performers, he's written books about Steely Dan and The Beatles (with more to come currently on the back burner), he's got a Beatles-based podcast that takes a whole new look at them, and his latest project is a 3D animated rock opera that takes place in the ashes of the 2016 election. Whether your politics lean red or blue, you'll probably find it fun (though admittedly it's a little more fun for the blue crowd). This is a longer episode than usual—just a shade over an hour, total—but my hope is that you'll have as much fun listening as I had chatting. If you want to encounter him elsewhere on the web: Where you can find him on the Twitter Machine. LIkewise, here's his Instagram profile. His 3D animated rock opera, The So-Called President. This is his main page. shadybear.com Link to his production studio. If you're interested in checking out his Beatles book, this is the place to go. And last but not least, here's the direct link to his podcast, which is back up and running as of today! You should also be able to find it in Podcast Republic or your favorite podcatcher software: https://shadybearbklyn.podbean.com/ Enjoy. No transcript this week, unfortunately. My apologies! Click here to become a Patron of the show.

142: Anthony Robustelli

James Taylor was a talented guy, but early in his career he was having a tough time getting a break. Even when the Beatles signed him to their label, it was at a time that the label was coming unraveled and promotion was scarce. Plus, Taylor had his own issues to deal with. It took some time but he managed to get his act together, get himself cleaned up and get some talented people to work with him on his second album, which fortunately wasn't on Apple Records. With some support from Warner Brothers, Sweet Baby James became a hit album, and "Fire and Rain" became a breakout his for Taylor. "Fire and Rain" is one of those songs that seems to have a lot of weird theories surrounding its subject matter, and the best I can tell you is that most of them are close, but not close enough to be considered correct. But the real stories attached to the song are more compelling, if not quite as exciting. As I promised during the show, here's a sample of the old Smokey Stover comic strip that I referred to: For my money, some of that art suggests that Bill Holman was a big influence on the MAD Magazine crew. It's also likely that Holman himself was influenced by George McManus, the artist behind "Bringing Up Father." Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

141: Fire and Rain

Where have I been? Let's start with: I'm okay, my family is okay, everybody's okay. My wife, as you may know, was considered especially vulnerable to the virus and spent a lot of time in the Southern Studio, but she's back home and everyone in the household is fully vaccinated, thank goodness. But that doesn't have a lot to do with where I've been. The fact is, I'm a victim of my own success. This show is considered "big, for a small podcast" which typically doesn't mean that much, but in recent months the show has seen a small surge in growth. This happens every now and again: I see a sudden uptick in downloads and then it levels off for a long while until another uptick comes along. My listenership managed to cross some critical thresholds this time around. So it was time once again for me to think about choosing another provider to host the show. I've done it before and it's typically not a big deal. In fact, it usually goes so smoothly that you don't know the difference. The problem that I bumped into this time is that the new host has limits for data uploads that I didn't know about, because the show's length (in minutes and seconds) isn't usually enough to create a problem for me. It's when I started migrating older shows into the new space that I suddenly had a problem, and I was prevented from uploading anything else until a month had gone by and the meter reset itself. So my options were to buy more data to upload for a single cycle, or wait it out. I chose to wait it out, since I'd recently spent the money on the new hosting and the new theme music, some of which you haven't even heard yet. There's a little more detail in this audio clip here, which should already be in your podcatcher: Thanks for listening! I've got some exciting stuff coming up in the near future and moving into summer!

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When I was in high school, there was a guy I knew named Phil. Phil and I shared an art class, a class I had to be talked into attending because I'd had a bad experience with an art class in the eighth grade. But I was told that the teacher was really good and kind of a cool guy, and sure enough he was. Mr. L, our art teacher, let us bring in our own music to listen to while we worked. So one fine day in the spring of 1980, Phil brings in a bunch of 45 records, and one of them was this song. "Cars" was the kind of tune that, at the time, was unlike anything I'd heard before, and I was both fascinated and hooked. The first opportunity I had, I went out and got my own copy of the record (I wasn't very album-focused yet), and played that record hard. Numan didn't see a whole lot more action in the United States after that, probably because New Wave came along and nudged him out of the way, but I don't think I'll forget the impact of hearing that record for the first time, even on that crummy, bulky, big brown nearly-portable record player that so many schools used. In retrospect, it occurred to me that you kind of have to see the original video--at least the first minute or so--to understand what they were doing with part of the Die Hard commercial, so here's the original 1979 video: And here's the Die Hard commercial in full: What song did you hear that just knocked you out on the first listen? Tell me in the comments! Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a patron of the show.

140: Cars

Laura Nigro was a sixteen-year-old musical prodigy who was trying on several last names, as creative types sometimes do. She happened to be "Nyro" when she finally started to catch on in the music industry, so Laura Nyro she became. Nyro was never a huge star in her own right. But she left behind a musical legacy in a bunch of songs that became big hits for other artists. That's a roster that would include Three Dog Night, the Fifth Dimension, Barbra Streisand and Blood, Sweat and Tears. Nyro wrote "And When I Die." Peter, Paul & Mary made it kinda-sorta famous. But it was Blood, Sweat and Tears that really brought it to the fore. David Clayton Thomas' voice, combined with Dick Halligan's arrangements made for a relatively light-hearted romp through the graveyard. And while BST's version is musically different from Nyro's, they never lost sight of that gospel feel that it had, even as they gave it the cowboy instrumental section. In doing the research for this show, I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole of listening to Laura Nyro's music. I may have to do a whole bunch of shows dedicated to her sometime soon. Nyro is definitely an under-appreciated talent. Click here to become a patron of the show. Click here for a transcript of this episode.

139: And When I Die

In a relatively short period of time, Pink Floyd went from a band with a fairly small but loyal fan base to an international phenomenon. And it was taking its toll on the members of the group. Even as they were putting together this, probably their most cohesive album, they were largely working in isolation. Only occasionally were all four members in the studio at the same time as they worked on it. This sense of alienation from each other and their newfound audience, plus the cynicism of the record label executives they met up with after the success of Dark Side of the Moon, gave rise to Wish You Were Here. (The story goes that they did, indeed, have someone ask them "Which one's Pink?") In addition, the band was sorely missing founding member Syd Barrett, who'd left the group a few years earlier after having a breakdown. There were a few attempts to bring him back, but Barrett just wasn't able to bring the spark he'd had previously. Wish You Were Here the album explores all of these themes separately, but I'd argue that "Wish You Were Here" the song ties all of them into a neat little bow. From that point there are only about twelve minutes left to the album. That leaves twelve minutes of a coda bringing the whole thing to a tidy close. So where have I been the last few weeks? I've been doing some pondering about re-working the show a little bit, and getting some new elements in. So you'll hear some big differences in the beginning of the show (and a little bit at the end), and I'll be trying out a couple of other things soon as well. Here's a for-instance: the show has new theme music! Thanks to the generosity of the show's Patrons, I was able to commission some custom music for the show. I'll always have a soft place in my heart for "Surfing Day" but I think this new track has a little bit of the same feel and I hope you like it as much as I do. (You can hear it unsullied by my voice on the Facebook page.) For what it's worth, the show has been away for a few weeks, but I haven't. I've been communicating with the Patreon crowd every Sunday morning via the newsletter. If you'd like to see what that's about, click here to become a Patron of the Show. You won't be able to see the recent newsletters, but you can see the ones from this past fall. Click here for a transcript of this episode.

138: Wish You Were Here

It's kind of melancholy for a song that many consider to be a Christmas song, isn't it? What you have in this tune is the true story of two people who re-encounter each other after several years of separation. And as they spend some time re-connecting, they both recognize that despite opening up to each other, it doesn't mean that anything else is going to happen for them. The moment has passed them by, and they're mostly just left with the restlessness and maybe even some self-pity that they hadn't even realized they were experiencing earlier. They're glad they saw each other, and they still manage to come away sadder about their own situation, having gained and lost a shred of hope that this is the opportunity they've been waiting for. Fogelberg always insisted that the story was true, but he never revealed the identity of the woman in the story. But shortly after he died in 2007, she came forward and did an interview with a Peoria, Illinois newspaper. Her name is Jill Anderson Greulich, and she says she hears from Fogelberg's fans all the time, with almost invariably positive messages, and especially around the holidays. It's not really a Christmas song in the sense of Christmas songs we typically think of. It's set during Christmas, but it's not the overly-happy, sanitized Christmas we're used to singing about. It's more like the Christmas that actually happens to us. And that's not always a bad thing. I meant what I said about the cookies. If you come up with a guess, hit me up on the social media and I'll let you know if you got it. Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

137: Same Old Lang Syne

Bill Withers was an aspiring musician, but he kept his feet on the ground for a long time. Even after his first album started to climb the charts, he kept working his job assembling bathrooms in an airplane factory because he thought the music industry was fickle. He wasn't wrong, incidentally. But in his case he may have been pessimistic. It wasn't until "Ain't No Sunshine" went Gold that he finally left the factory job and went on tour to support the album. Given the star power that supported him with the recording of his debut album, Just As I Am, it's a small wonder that he became such a huge star right away. When you've got Booker T. Jones producing and the rest of the MGs, plus Stephen Stills and Jim Keltner on drums, you're going to be a huge hit. Or, maybe you're not nearly as good as you think you are, and you may as well spend the rest of your life in that factory. "Ain't No Sunshine" wasn't the first single off the album. And I don't think I'm spoiling any surprises here when I tell you this: It isn't too tough to figure out how it got all the airplay, and eventually all the sales, that it did. Oh—and, as promised, here's the video of the cover by the Black Label Society from a few years back. They're a heavy metal band, but this cover is mostly acoustic. Zakk Wylde kind of digs the negative attention that the video got for the use of the horse masks (and more) that you'll see in this video. But maybe just lean back and enjoy it instead of reading into it too deeply. I'm aiming for the next show to drop on January 3, so until then: have a Happy and Safe New Year! Click here for a transcript of this episode. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

136: Ain’t No Sunshine

Merry Christmas! I actually had a different show in mind but I got to listening to some old radio airchecks (not my own) and I was inspired to do something different from the usual show. The first thing you'll notice is that it's a half-hour long. That's because I'm playing songs in their entirety and not really talking very much. (If any episode is going to net me a C&D letter, this'll be the one.) In this year's Christmas episode, I'm playing eight songs that don't get airplay anymore for some reason. A few of them are kinda goofy, a couple are kind of derivative, and I daresay a few of them are seminal to their genre. And while I share a little history with you here and there, the intent this time is to just sit back and wonder why the All Christmas All The Time station in your area is sticking with the same twenty songs, and not playing any of these guys. All of these songs can be found without too much hassle on Amazon Music or YouTube. If you want to revisit them, here's the playlist: Merry Christmas, Mary—Tommy Dee and Carol KayMerry, Merry Christmas, Baby—Dodie StevensSanta's Song—The Oak Ridge BoysYulesville—Edd "Kookie" ByrnesSanta Claus Meets the Purple People Eater—Sheb WooleyPlease Come Home For Christmas—Charles BrownWhite Christmas—The RavensSilent Night—The Ravens (flip side of White Christmas) And just for the giggles, here's one more song that didn't make it into the show itself. It's Bobby Helms' other shot at a Christmas tune, from 1965. He wasn't the original artist (I think he was the fourth) to release this song. I think the most popular version came from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass in 1968, though Bobby Vinton's version is kind of well-known, too. At any rate, here's Bobby Helms: Sorry, no transcript of this episode, since it's mostly music. Click here to become a Patron of the show.

135: Lesser Known Christmas Pop

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