Alice Munro, a winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, was perhaps the most acclaimed short-story writer of our time. After her death, last year, her youngest daughter, Andrea Skinner, revealed that Munro’s partner, Gerald Fremlin, had sexually abused her starting when she was nine years old. The abuse was known in the family, but, even after Fremlin was convicted, Munro stood by him, at the expense of her relationship with her daughter. In this episode, the New Yorker staff writer Rachel Aviv joins the magazine’s editor, David Remnick, to talk about how and why a writer known for such astonishing powers of empathy could betray her own child, and how Munro touched on this family trauma in fiction. “Her writing makes you think about art at what expense,” Aviv tells Remnick. “That’s probably a question that is relevant for many artists, but Alice Munro makes it visible on the page. It felt so literal—like trading your daughter for art.”Follow The New Yorker Radio Hour wherever you get your podcasts. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Donald Trump’s selection of Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense caught the attention of the In the Dark team. Hegseth, formerly a weekend co-host of “Fox & Friends,” is a longtime supporter of accused American war criminals, and has called Eddie Gallagher, the Navy SEAL who was tried for murder and other crimes, a “war hero.” The reporters Madeleine Baran and Parker Yesko discuss what Hegseth’s appointment could mean for war-crimes prosecutions under the Trump Administration.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth, and the Future of American War-Crimes Prosecutions

Was it scary to knock on all those Marines’ doors? What was it like to report in Iraq? Is it still possible for any Marines to face consequences for what happened in Haditha? The In the Dark team sits down to answer your questions. To view the online-only features of Season 3—the photographs, war-crimes database, and interactive documentary—visit newyorker.com/season3. Have a story idea for the In the Dark team? E-mail us at inthedark@newyorker.com.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Bonus: Your Season 3 Questions, Answered

For the past year, the Interactives Department at The New Yorker has been working alongside In the Dark on a remarkable visual exploration of what happened that day in Haditha. Sam Wolson, who co-directed the project, joins the podcast to talk about “Cleared by Fire.” Find the interactive documentary at newyorker.com/season3. Got questions for the In the Dark team? E-mail them to us at inthedark@newyorker.com.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Bonus: “Cleared by Fire”

For years, we’d thought what everyone thought: that there were twenty-four civilians killed by Marines in Haditha on November 19, 2005. But maybe everyone was wrong. To find online-only features, visit newyorker.com/season3. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 9: Patient #8

The case against the squad leader, Frank Wuterich, finally goes to trial. To find online-only features, visit newyorker.com/season3. And to get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. The audio of Frank Wuterich in this episode comes from the podcast “Murder in House Two,” by Michael Epstein. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 8: On Trial

The conflicting narratives about what happened in Haditha make their way through the opaque inner workings of the military justice system, until they reach a top commander who decides which story to believe. To find online-only features, visit newyorker.com/season3. And to get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 7: Innocent in My Eyes

Startling new information emerges from deep within the investigation files. Then the In the Dark team gets a big break. To find online-only features, visit newyorker.com/season3. And to get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 6: The Full Picture

Was it a face-off with insurgents or the murder of four innocent brothers? We investigate what happened in the final house the Marines entered that day. To get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 5: Four Brothers

Two conflicting stories about what happened that day emerge—one from the Marines involved in the killings, and another from a very different perspective.  To get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 4: What They Saw

We travel around the U.S. to find the Marines who were on the ground in Haditha on the day of the killings. To get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 3: Sounds Like Murder

A trip to a Marine Corps archive reveals a clue about something that the U.S. military is keeping secret. To get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 2: I Have Questions

A man in Haditha, Iraq, has a request for the In the Dark team: Can you investigate how my family was killed? To get episodes early and ad-free, visit newyorker.com/dark. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Episode 1: The Green Grass

Episodes 1 and 2 of our new season are coming out on July 30th, but subscribers can listen to episodes early. If you aren’t currently a New Yorker subscriber, you can become one for just $1 per week. You’ll get early access to episodes of Season 3 as they come out, and everything else the magazine publishes—plus, a free tote bag.Visit newyorker.com/dark to subscribe today, and, for the best listening experience, download the New Yorker app. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Start Listening to Season 3 Today

A crime committed. A crime forgotten. A crime unpunished.Season 3 of In the Dark, coming July 30th. Listen early and ad-free at newyorker.com/dark.  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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In the Dark, hosted by Madeleine Baran, is an award-winning investigative-journalism podcast that started in 2016. Its first season looked at the mysterious abduction of Jacob Wetterling in rural Minnesota and the lack of accountability that sheriffs face when they fail to solve cases. Season 2 examined the case of Curtis Flowers, who was tried six times for the same crime. In 2020, In the Dark released a special report on the coronavirus pandemic in the Mississippi Delta. In 2023, In the Dark joined The New Yorker and Condé Nast. “The Runaway Princesses,” a four-part series that asks why the women in Dubai’s royal family keep trying to run away, came out in January. In the Dark is a two-time Peabody Award winner and, in 2019, became the first podcast to win a George Polk Award, one of the top honors in journalism. The program has also received an Alfred I. duPont-Columbia University Award and a Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award.

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