This week on JUST, Rob and Jes sit down with KJ Hill, the Pastor for Community Development and Outreach at The Summit Church in Durham. With a career that spans coaching, writing, teaching, and more, KJ shares a wealth of experience, learning, and wisdom about how to love your neighbor well. 0:00 Episode starts  1:18 Jes's check in 5:21 Rob's check in 8:20 KJ joins the call 8:47 KJ's check in 9:18 Rob gives KJ's background and bio 13:54 How did you get to where you are now? 23:17 Rob reads a quote from KJ's book 25:19 KJ elaborates on the quote 29:45 What is the evolution of your philosophy on engaging community and values? 35:21 Interlude 36:46 KJ talks about the parish model 43:31 What are some examples of caring well for our neighbors? 51:07 How is taking care of refugee neighbors different than geographic neighbors? 56:24 If you could wave a magic wand over every church, what one thing would you change? 59:44 What's one practical step listeners could take? 64:04 Rob and Jes say goodbye to KJ 64:15 Debrief begins 65:00 Jes's takeaways 67:00 Rob's takeaways 71:12 Rob and Jes say goodbye 71:17 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

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Cheap Charity, True Neighboring & 7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon

This week on the JUST podcast, Jes and Rob interview Raleigh Mayoral Candidate Dr. Terrance Ruth. Dr. Ruth is a teacher at NC State, a former public school principal, and community organizer. 0:00 Episode starts  1:26 Rob's check in 5:35 Jes's check in 9:10 Dr. Terrance Ruth joins the call 9:36 Jes introduces Dr. Ruth 11:59 What drove your passion around justice? 15:32 Tell us about your partnership with United Way 20:42 Interlude 22:33 Why did you decide to run for mayor? 26:37 Where would you concentrate your efforts as mayor? 32:12 What are some fusion friendships you have? 38:19 What's one thing people can do to show up? 40:44 Jes thanks Dr. Ruth for being a great role model 42:03 Dr. Ruth says goodbye 42:08 Debrief 42:52 Jes's first takeaways 44:08 Rob's takeaways 47:06 Jes's second takeaways 52:04 Jes and Rob say goodbye 52:14 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Active Citizenry, Making Politics More Human, and a Tattoo or Two

Jes and Rob interview Steve Swayne, director of the St. Francis Springs Retreat Center. Steve brings insights into the value of rest, and how it is intrinsically tied to justice work. 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 2:01 Jes’s check in 4:44 Rob’s check in 6:29 Rob frames up the episode 7:22 Steve joins the call 7:30 Rob introduces Steve 9:25 Rob shares some stats for the episode 11:18 How has the pandemic impacted our relationship with rest? 15:22 What role does rest and reflection play in justice work? 18:45 Interlude 21:33 What is the biggest impact of the Center? 23:25 Jes gives the Center a personal shout out 27:00 Why is justice and equity a core value for the Center? 33:39 What’s one step listeners can take towards a healthier relationship with rest? 35:14 Tim Cook’s strategies for rest 38:00 Rob thanks Steve and wraps up 38:15 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

The Role of Rest in Justice Work

The United States has more money in our healthcare system than any other country in the world. Yet we also have the worst relative outcomes for mothers and infants. Join us as Joy Spencer explores why that is and where the inequity stems from. Can the system be fixed? 0:00 Episode starts  0:48 Check ins 5:20 Joy joins the call 5:38 Jes introduces Joy 8:35 Joy’s check in 9:47 Why do you do this work? 15:40 What sets you apart? 20:43 What motivates you? 24:50 Interlude 26:33 What is an important fusion friendship for you? 28:47 What about the policy side of things? 34:06 What does your dream future look like? 40:18 How can listeners show up? 43:33 Goodbyes 44:10 Debriefs (Jes starts) 46:29 Rob’s takeaways 52:50 Rob and Jes say goodbye 53:00 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Equity Before Birth

Join our guest Sonia Wang from http://newcommunityoutreach.org/ (New Community Covenant Church's Community Outreach Program) as she talks about how her work as a teacher and administrator on the south side of Chicago influences her work today. What does it mean to define Restorative Justice as an ecosystem -- or as a lifestyle? What does it mean to be stuck as the result of Trauma? Let's talk about it. 0:43 Episode starts 1:42 Jes’s check in 3:38 Rob’s check in 6:56 Rob introduces Sonia 7:21 Sonia joins the call 7:39 Sonia’s check in 9:16 Rob reads Sonia’s bio 11:59 What led you to this work? 17:32 Understanding intersectionality among young people 21:54 What is a day in the life like? 25:18 Interlude 26:52 How do people process trauma and do good work? 33:28 What does it mean to live out sankofa? 37:55 Where do you find hope? 40:37 How can listeners show up? 41:52 Where can listeners find you? 42:41 Wrap up 42:57 Jes’s takeaways 45:56 Rob’s takeaways 49:58 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Trauma & Injustice

The script gets flipped on this episode of JUST, as Rob and Jes take to the guest seats and our editor, Chris Pappalardo, interviews them. They discuss the nuances of https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/ (“How America Fractured Into Four Parts”) by George Packer, which we highly recommend reading alongside this episode! 0:00 Episode starts  2:08 Jes’s check in 5:28 Rob’s check in 7:24 Chris joins the call 9:11 Rob introduces Chris 11:20 Chris frames the episode 12:15 How do Rob and Jes frame the “four Americas”? 12:25 Rob’s answer 13:55 Jes’s answer 17:33 Who are the people in these archetypes? 19:26 Jes talks about the “real America” archetype 21:00 Interlude 22:02 Where do Rob and Jes place themselves in the Four Americas? 22:09 Rob’s answer 23:11 Jes’s answer 25:52 What are the issues with the “Just America” archetype? 26:39 Rob’s answer 28:44 Jes’s answer 31:09 How do you reach across the line? 31:16 Rob’s answer 33:22 Jes’s answer 36:31 How are Rob and Jes going to show up moving forward? 36:39 Rob’s answer 38:30 Jes’s answer 41:39 Wrap up 42:48 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Which America Do You Live In?

In this special bonus episode of JUST, learn more about Juneteenth with the folks from Black History For White People. From their site: We first cover what was going on in the nation before the emancipation proclamation, then zoom in on Texas specifically and what the culture was like, share some stories from the past, and tie the throughline to why and how people celebrate Juneteenth. https://redcircle.com/shows/black-history-for-white-people (Black History For White People website) For bonus content, full interviews, and the ability to vote for future topics, $5/month supports us at https://app.redcircle.com/shows/c7b8dfa0-27a2-4769-a4ac-3f0dc2963dee/ep/patreon.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople (patreon.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople). Check us out on Twitter https://twitter.com/BHforWP (@BHforWP) and Instagram https://www.instagram.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople/ (@BlackHistoryForWhitePeople) or feel free to email us at hello@blackhistoryforwhitepeople.com.

Crossover: Juneteenth

This week on Just, Rob and Jes interview Josephe Feathersone, Vice President of Programs at the https://dci-nc.org/ (Durham Children’s Initiative) about kids returning to school and the impact of the pandemic on learning and education. He shares stories of resilience and explains why he picks up every penny he sees. 0:00 Episode starts  1:28 Jes checks in with Rob 2:53 Rob checks in with Jes 5:58 Jes frames up the conversation 7:24 Jes intros Josephe’s bio 9:04 Josephe joins the conversation 10:11 Jes checks in with Josephe 11:09 Josephe describes his work with DCI 15:10 What barriers were students and families navigating before the pandemic? 19:21 What layers are you seeing in the impact on young people? 23:30 Interlude 23:45 Rob digs in deeper to Josephe’s point about post-Covid change in education 25:48 What lessons have you learned from your students? 27:43 Josephe reflects on George Floyd 32:09 Do we repair within the system or rebuild from the ground up? 36:05 What gives you hope? 36:18 The penny story 39:33 How can listeners show up? 42:23 Josephe leaves the conversation 42:28 Debrief begins 44:40 Jes’s takeaways 46:21 Rob and Jes talk about George Floyd 51:00 Rob talks about entering each other’s stories 52:46 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Picking Up Pennies

Dave Crispell joins Jes and Rob this week in a discussion about restorative justice and getting proximate. Dave is the co-founder of https://www.jubilee-home.org/ (Jubilee Home), which works with young men in the Durham community to create a place that bridges the gap between incarceration and full independence.  0:00 Episode starts  0:47 Jes checks in with Rob 2:21 Rob checks in with Jes 5:21 Rob begins introducing Dave 7:16 Dave joins the call 7:24 Rob gives Dave’s bio 9:33 Rob checks in with David 11:00 Dave tells his origin story 25:34 Dave explains the name “Jubilee Home” 32:00 Interlude 37:54 What does success look like for Jubilee Home? 48:42 How can listeners show up? 51:30 Rob and Jes thank Dave for joining 52:11 Debriefs 52:42 Rob’s takeaways 56:29 Jes’s takeaways 61:07 outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Jubilee Home: Re-entry that Restores

David Swanson, pastor of http://newcommunitycovenant.com/ (New Community Covenant Church), joins Rob and Jes on this episode of JUST. David is the author of “Rediscipling the White Church”, and also serves as the CEO of http://newcommunityoutreach.org/ (New Community Outreach), a non-profit organization working to reduce causes of trauma and raise opportunities for equity in Chicago. 0:00 Episode starts  1:30 Jes’s check in 4:08 Rob’s check in 6:02 David joins the conversation 7:09 Rob gives some background on David 10:00 How did David come to care about issues of justice and race? 13:24 Jes asks David to define and explain the title of his book 15:22 David describes three assumptions or tools that white organizations often use when addressing inequity 18:35 David acknowledges that there are many people against diversity, but he believes there is a large group that genuinely wants diversity and doesn’t know how to get there 20:24 Rob asks how the increased awareness of injustice impacts David’s book and message 21:35 The gravity of race is with those of us who are white 23:38 Interlude 24:05 Jes asks for some examples of how David’s church has been successful in cultivating diversity 25:08 Connecting discipleship with racial justice, instead of viewing it as ministry 26:09 David tells a story about two pastors who developed a fusion friendship that changed their churches 29:41 A relationship isn’t evidence of fixing injustice, it’s an ecosystem from which to work 30:57 Rob asks David for personal examples of fusion friendships that shaped his life 33:10 David shares his relationship with one of his mentors 34:39 Jes calls for the show up moment 36:15 David reframes to “what do I need to do to become more trustworthy to my friends and neighbors of color?” 39:23 Jes asks if there’s a network or high-level organization to coordinate this change 40:00 Rob gets “voluntold” to start the network 42:23 Jes calls for galvanization of racial reconciliation work 44:07 Rob thanks David for joining the show 44:54 David leaves the conversation 44:58 Debrief begins, Jes’s takeaways 45:47 Rob’s takeaways 50:19 Goodbyes and outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Racial Justice and the White Church

Join Jes and Rob in a conversation with Elizabeth Butler, Employment Team Manager with StepUp Durham. StepUp Durham transforms lives through employment and life skills training. Their vision is to be the premier resource in Durham for people seeking to improve their lives and develop stable employment.  0:00 Episode starts  1:12 Rob checks in with Jes 3:12 Jes checks in with Rob 4:52 Rob brings Elizabeth Butler onto the show 5:29 Rob introduces Elizabeth and StepUp Durham 7:51 Elizabeth tells her story and how she got where she is 10:48 Jes asks Elizabeth to elaborate on the variety of people she serves 13:19 Rob asks what one change would make the biggest difference to Elizabeth’s work 15:31 Interlude 16:02 Elizabeth describes a day in her life 18:59 Rob shares some stats from StepUp Durham 20:40 Rob asks what Elizabeth’s ultimate hope for StepUp Durham is 24:28 Elizabeth describes what drives her 27:27 Elizabeth talks about the great collaboration in Durham 28:27 Rob asks for the show up moment to land the plane 30:14 Jes closes out the interview and they say bye to Elizabeth 30:30 Debrief begins 31:02 Jes shares her takeaways 33:05 Rob shares his takeaways 36:12 Goodbyes and outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

StepUp Durham: A Job Changes Everything

Jes and Rob interview Eve Picker of Small Change about Impact Investing in real estate. Eve is the founder and CEO of Small Change, a real estate investment crowdfunding platform. 0:00 Episode starts  2:09 Rob’s check in 5:13 Jes’s check in 8:56 Eve joins the conversation 9:20 Jes introduces Eve 10:50 Eve’s check in 14:30 Jes asks about Eve’s work 17:15 Eve talks about the wide range of people that are real estate developers 21:16 Eve talks about new laws that allow a shift in crowdfunding from donations to investment 23:54 Eve talks about the unfairness of exclusivity 25:44 Eve explains accredited investors and the lack of access to real estate 27:37 Eve describes the ways Small Change protects investors 28:52 Interlude 29:04 Jes asks about the impact of Eve’s work, specifically around gentrification 31:19 Eve talks about a possible tool to protect people from gentrification 34:34 Eve talks about the differences she sees between cities like Pittsburgh and Atlanta 36:20 Rob asks Eve about fusion friendships she’s experienced 38:00 Eve explains that part of the reason for Small Change is to explain real estate in plain English 39:53 Jes offers some show up moments 41:13 Debrief begins 41:22 Rob’s takeaways 44:55 Jes’s takeaways 48:56 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Derigging the Real Estate Game

0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:37 Rob encourages people to go listen to the first episode 2:40 Jes talks about reading Best of Enemies and enjoys all of the history being brought to life 3:56 Rob talks about how the sunshine is affecting his mental health in positive ways after all the rain 7:06 Keith Daniels and Tom Droege with Resilient Ventures joins the conversation 8:03 Rob introduces the mission of Resilient Ventures and Keith and Tom 10:41 Rob asks about the history of Resilievent Ventures, the problem they are aiming to solve, how it is unique, and why the name 12:16 Tom talks about asking questions being a foundation to come up with solutions 14:37 Jes talks about the creativity that comes out of black communities that are not able to grow their dreams 16:36 Keith talks about resilient being a loaded word for the city of Durham and being inspired by a Biblical motivation and their own lives being marked by resilient 22:03 Jes asks what they have seen and the successes they’ve watched 22:32 Keith talks about being involved in leadership that encouraged him to care about this work 26:02 Keith talks about the tension of how money is being deployed and how it is being used 26:36 Rob asks about a specific story that encapsulates the spirit of Resilient Ventures 31:29 Jes talks about differentiating between charity versus funding 35:09 Keith talks about the world being a better place if we can work along the color line in integrated ways 37:30 Interlude 39:50 Jes asks how listeners can show up both personally and with Resilient Ventures 40:11 Tom talks about Keith teaching him about relational friendships, not transactional relationships 47:01 Tom and Keith sign off the conversation 48:29 Jes feels encouraged by how much impact Resilient Ventures has because of how different Tom and Keith are 53:04 Rob talks about the educational part that Resilient Ventures engages in and how he wants to be involved in that 56:16 Conversation ends 56:17 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Closing the Racial Wealth Gap

0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 2:19 Jes talks about her birthday and loving the process of getting older and her son deciding to go to Florida Atlantic 6:10 Rob talks about enrolling his son in preschool and how all of his kids will be in school 9:16 Osha Gray Davidson joins the conversation 10:15 Rob introduces Osha 11:45 Rob asks about Osha and what inspired him to tell the story in Best of Enemies 12:46 Osha talks about a big motivation for telling the story of Ann and CP was how little he knew about race 16:21 Jes asks what characteristics about both Ann and CP he admires 16:39 Osha talks about Ann’s resilience, her increased capacity to fight, and her core principles of progress 19:13 Osha talks about CP’s capacity to change 21:45 Rob introduces a theme of the season of “fusion friendships” 21:58 Rob asks how we apply lessons from Ann and CP’s relationship and how to form similar relationships 22:50 Osha answers that we need to hold fast to principles while not dehumanizing people and also recognizing that everyone has capacity to change 26:01 Osha talks about an experience where he saw a glimpse of being dehumanized as a Jew in the Midwest 29:22 Jes asks why he chose to frame the story with such an emphasis on Durham 29:45 Osha talks about how their relationship couldn’t and wouldn't have been possible if it wasn’t for the circumstances in Durham 32:53 Rob asks about the quote “race and class as the siamese twins of the south” and asks Osha to unpack that concept and how he saw that place out 50 years ago and now 34:05 Osha talks about learning how class-based solutions won’t solve race-based problems 38:35 Interlude 42:21 Jes asks about the American Project and his why 45:01 Osha talks about a shift in mindset for needing  to address solutions, specifically when it came to reparations 47:26 Osha talks about Patrick Henry encouraging the end of slavery 54:36 Rob asks about a show-up moment 54:48 Osha encourages white people to educate themselves then align themselves with movement for justice 59:17 Osah signs off the conversation 59:50 Jes talks about change, Ann being an agent of change and CP recognizing his ability to change 1:01:48 Rob shares his reflection about Ann’s towering presence, how she never compromised truth and loved at the same time 1:04:19 Conversation ends 1:04:22 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

The Best of Enemies

Osha Gray Davidson, author of 'The Best of Enemies' and host of the American Project podcast, shares more about the unlikely friendship of Ann Atwater, a committed civil rights activist, and C.P. Ellis, a leader in Durham's Ku Klux Klan chapter. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 2:19 Jes talks about her birthday and loving the process of getting older and her son deciding to go to Florida Atlantic 6:10 Rob talks about enrolling his son in preschool and how all of his kids will be in school 9:16 Osha Gray Davidson joins the conversation 10:15 Rob introduces Osha 11:45 Rob asks about Osha and what inspired him to tell the story in Best of Enemies 12:46 Osha talks about a big motivation for telling the story of Ann and CP was how little he knew about race 16:21 Jes asks what characteristics about both Ann and CP he admires 16:39 Osha talks about Ann’s resilience, her increased capacity to fight, and her core principles of progress 19:13 Osha talks about CP’s capacity to change 21:45 Rob introduces a theme of the season of “fusion friendships” 21:58 Rob asks how we apply lessons from Ann and CP’s relationship and how to form similar relationships 22:50 Osha answers that we need to hold fast to principles while not dehumanizing people and also recognizing that everyone has capacity to change 26:01 Osha talks about an experience where he saw a glimpse of being dehumanized as a Jew in the Midwest 29:22 Jes asks why he chose to frame the story with such an emphasis on Durham 29:45 Osha talks about how their relationship couldn’t and wouldn't have been possible if it wasn’t for the circumstances in Durham 32:53 Rob asks about the quote “race and class as the siamese twins of the south” and asks Osha to unpack that concept and how he saw that place out 50 years ago and now 34:05 Osha talks about learning how class-based solutions won’t solve race-based problems 38:35 Interlude 42:21 Jes asks about the American Project and his why 45:01 Osha talks about a shift in mindset for needing  to address solutions, specifically when it came to reparations 47:26 Osha talks about Patrick Henry encouraging the end of slavery 54:36 Rob asks about a show-up moment 54:48 Osha encourages white people to educate themselves then align themselves with movement for justice 59:17 Osah signs off the conversation 59:50 Jes talks about change, Ann being an agent of change and CP recognizing his ability to change 1:01:48 Rob shares his reflection about Ann’s towering presence, how she never compromised truth and loved at the same time 1:04:19 Conversation ends 1:04:22 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

The JUST podcast features people building thriving communities rooted in social justice. Stories about working with the underserved and amplifying the voices of the marginalized. JUST is part of the Capitol Broadcasting Podcast Network, ⁣⁣ Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show!⁣ ⁣ Follow DJ Pdogg online:⁣ www.djpdogg.com⁣ Twitter: DJPdogg Instagram: djpdogg⁣ Follow Producer Lo Key on Instagram⁣ Our sponsors:⁣ ⁣ReCity Network⁣ Coastal Credit Union⁣ Our hosts:⁣ ⁣Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet Homecoming⁣ Rob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network Our Producer:⁣ ⁣Michael Baylor

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