In November of 2018, missionary John Allen Chau was killed attempting to meet and evangelize people on a remote Indian island. Reflections came strong and swift. But were they right? In this episode, Sean and John look back on the actual events and - now with some distance - suggest some more helpful responses to situations like this one. What could and should Christians do moving forward to avoid this kind of tragedy again? Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Not So Black And White With Sean Palmer and John Alan Turner

Episode 040: Should He Stay Or Should He Go

In the wake of the Willow Creek news more and more church leaders are asking pressing questions about whether churches have become too corporate in leadership structure and style. Is that true? What are good, positive ways for spiritually-formed Christians to lead healthy and whole churches.  Sean and John talk about what is healthy and unhealthy, good and bad about contemporary church leadership. This is a must-listen.  Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 039: Is The Church Leadership Model Broken?

You can't get where you want to go one your own. We need each other and every one needs a coach. The greatest athletes, actors, musicians and pastors have coaches. Guess what? You can't participate in God's preferred future without some guidance along the way.  You need a coach.  Support the Show on Patheos. You don't want to miss these wonderful goodies for very little cost. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 038: Why You Need A Coach

He thought he'd be better at this Christianity thing by now. All his life, John Alan Turner has wanted to be different, to be better than who he is, to improve. Instead, he helped plant a church that folded within a year. He got divorced. He was diagnosed with depression. His car was rear-ended and totaled, which left him with life-altering injuries. It seemed like the harder he pushed to become the person he was supposed to be, the farther away it fled. And now, here he is after all these years, saying, ''I'm still me.'' Support the Show on Patheos. You don't want to miss these wonderful goodies for very little cost. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 037: Still Me: Difficult Lessons About Life w/ John Alan Turner

Sean and John sit down with theologian, writer, and friend of the show Scot McKnight to talk about Scot's newest book, Open To The Spirit: God in Us, God with Us, God Transforming Us.  This new book is perfect for pastors and teachers engaging their community in a discussion of the Holy Spirit, and accessible for everyday readers ready to go deeper. Support the Show on Patheos. You don't want to miss these wonderful goodies for very little cost. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 036: Scot McKnight Talks About the Holy Spirit

Sean and John continue to discuss Sean's first 21-years in local church ministry, what he has learned, what keeps him going, and how you can keep going too. This one is great whether you're just starting out or need some renewal. Support the Show on Patheos. You don't want to miss these wonderful goodies for very little cost. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 035: 21 Lessons in 21 Years part 2

Sean and John discuss Sean's first 21-years in local church ministry, what he has learned, what keeps him going, and how you can keep going too. This is the perfect listen whether you're in the midst of struggle or experiencing your best season of ministry. Support the Show on Patheos. You don't want to miss these wonderful goodies for very little cost. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 034: 21 Ministry Lessons in 21 Years Part 1

Sean and John talk with Dr. N.T. Wright, one of the world's foremost theologians, about his work, particularly his new book, "Paul: A Biography."  We also talk translations of the New Testament and what it's like to be NT Wright's pastor. Paul: A Biography Take a Class From Dr. Tom   Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 033: NT Wright Talks Paul

Christians are called to practice a "generous orthodoxy." We are called to hold to the Christian tradition while also being open to the ways of a changing (and often improving) world. The problem is that the two sides of the equation inevitably come into conflict. Then we must choose. Sean and John discuss whether and when Christians might choose generosity? Or will we choose orthodoxy? Which will we prioritize? Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode O32: A Generous Orthodoxy

Almost every church and church leader wants to innovate and be a part of what is cutting edge. That means changes in approach and practice. But what do churches lose in the process of doing the "new thing"? Might there be some ancient and older ways to help us navigate toward a better tomorrow? Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 031: The Baby With The Bathwater

Sean and John outline 8 initial steps churches should take BEFORE and AFTER sexual harassment and assault charges arise in your church. As two men, they are sure there are other important steps they've missed. Listen, then chime in at notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 030 When Not If:

In 2016, NFL players (and others) began taking a knew during the Star Spangled Banner in protest of police violence against unarmed black men. A year later, that protest has become conflated with America's military and Veterans? Is that fair? Right? Or is this just Americans turning an important issue into a "political football." Sean and John discuss the pros, cons, and reasons behind the protest and give you some different ways to think and talk about taking a knee. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes. Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 029: Take A Knee?

This is an absolute NECESSITY for anyone who has ever dreamed of writing a book, particularly in the Christian market Sean and John take an insider's look into Christian publishing. These are the ESSENTIALS of what you need to know.  Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes.   Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 028: So You Want To Be A Christian Author

Sean and John talk about Sean's new book, Unarmed Empire: In Search of Beloved Community. Sean shares why he wrote the book, what it means for the church, and how to move forward into beloved community. Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes.   Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 027: Unarmed Empire: In Search of Beloved Community

Sean and John talk abut Hurricane Harvey, Sean's flooded house, and what churches -- big and small -- can do to respond to one of America's worst natural disasters. Click Here To Help:  Stay In Touch: Connect on FACEBOOK Email thoughts, questions, and feedback to: notsoblackandwhitepod@gmail.com  RATE and REVIEW the show on iTunes.   Find Us Online: Sean: Blog | Facebook | Twitter John: Blog | Facebook | Twitter

Episode 026: Healing From Harvey: A Time For the Church to Step-Up

Christian author, speaker, and thinker Sean Palmer and church leadership consultant, author, and speaker John Alan Turner share thought-provoking and provocative conversations, interviews, and reflections on contemporary issues that aren't always so black and white.

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