Anna Sumara built a coaching career around one idea: the body knows before the mind does. A coach, facilitator, and Coactive Training Institute faculty member, Anna joins hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain embodied presence and why tension in the body weakens a leader's message. Anna walks through a practice for noticing physical sensation during moments of stress, describes why she sees boundaries as physical before they are verbal, and explains the difference between a regulated and a reactive nervous system. She closes with her honest view on why coaching for deep, lasting change still needs a human being in the room, even with AI now present in the coaching field.

Anna Sumara built a coaching career around one idea: the body knows before the mind does. A coach, facilitator, and Coactive Training Institute faculty member, Anna joins hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain embodied presence and why tension in the body weakens a leader's message.Anna walks through a practice for noticing physical sensation during moments of stress, describes why she sees boundaries as physical before they are verbal, and explains the difference between a regulated and a reactive nervous system. She closes with her honest view on why coaching for deep, lasting change still needs a human being in the room, even with AI now present in the coaching field.

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Why Your Body Knows Before Your Mind Does: Anna Sumara on Embodied Presence and Leadership

Ex-army officer and former corporate GM Jimmy Burroughes burned out in 2017 after 16 to 18 hour days for two and a half years straight. Nine years later, he runs a leadership consulting business teaching other leaders to avoid his mistakes.In this conversation with hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave, Burroughes breaks down his 80% list, a daily habit for catching burnout before burnout takes hold, and the AEIOU framework for spotting burnout signs in a team. He explains why burnout peaks in the mid-30s to early 50s, and introduces three tiers of leadership: the village fisherman, the icebreaker, and the amplifier.If you lead people, manage a team, or coach leaders through burnout, this episode gives you language and tools to use right away.

Ex-army officer and former corporate GM Jimmy Burroughes burned out in 2017 after 16 to 18 hour days for two and a half years straight. Nine years later, he runs a leadership consulting business teaching other leaders to avoid his mistakes.In this conversation with hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave, Burroughes breaks down his 80% list, a daily habit for catching burnout before burnout takes hold, and the AEIOU framework for spotting burnout signs in a team. He explains why burnout peaks in the mid-30s to early 50s, and introduces three tiers of leadership: the village fisherman, the icebreaker, and the amplifier.If you lead people, manage a team, or coach leaders through burnout, this episode gives you language and tools to use right away.

Why Working Harder Doesn't Make You a Better Leader: Jimmy Burroughes on Burnout Recovery

Elaine Taylor-Klaus built a career around a question most workplaces still avoid: what happens when we stop designing everything around one type of brain? Taylor-Klaus, co-founder of Impact ADHD and the new NeuroInformed Institute, talks with hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave about neurodivergence, parenting, and leadership. She shares her own late diagnosis story, explains why SMART goals fail a large share of people, and gives a simple workplace fix that changes how neurodivergent employees perform. A candid, practical conversation about meeting people where they are.

Elaine Taylor-Klaus built a career around a question most workplaces still avoid: what happens when we stop designing everything around one type of brain? Taylor-Klaus, co-founder of Impact ADHD and the new NeuroInformed Institute, talks with hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave about neurodivergence, parenting, and leadership.She shares her own late diagnosis story, explains why SMART goals fail a large share of people, and gives a simple workplace fix that changes how neurodivergent employees perform. A candid, practical conversation about meeting people where they are.

Why the World Needs Neuro-Informed Coaching: Elaine Taylor-Klaus on Supporting Neurodivergent Minds

Fran Fisher walked on stage in 1997 without her notes and defined coaching as a sacred space of unconditional love. The definition stuck. Fran, MCC, helped build the ICF credentialing system. She chaired the Credentialing Development Committee and has assessed coaches since 1997. In this conversation with Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave, she shares the history most coaches never hear. Two rival coaching associations merged in an Atlanta hotel room and drew straws for the name. She also names an uncomfortable finding. When MCC candidates kept failing assessment, the assessors looked past the coaches and found the gap sat with their mentors.

Fran Fisher walked on stage in 1997 without her notes and defined coaching as a sacred space of unconditional love. The definition stuck.Fran, MCC, helped build the ICF credentialing system. She chaired the Credentialing Development Committee and has assessed coaches since 1997.In this conversation with Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave, she shares the history most coaches never hear. Two rival coaching associations merged in an Atlanta hotel room and drew straws for the name.She also names an uncomfortable finding. When MCC candidates kept failing assessment, the assessors looked past the coaches and found the gap sat with their mentors.

Coaching as a Sacred Space of Unconditional Love: Fran Fisher on Building the ICF Credentialing System

AI will not run your coaching practice while you sip a drink on a beach. Colin Scotland, who heads the AI for Coaches mentorship at coaching.com, explains why the coaches getting real value from AI start somewhere unexpected: writing down who they are. He walks through context engineering, operational AI that completes tasks on its own, and why the first step toward using the technology well is knowing yourself. A grounded, human-first take on a tool most people still misunderstand.

AI will not run your coaching practice while you sip a drink on a beach. Colin Scotland, who heads the AI for Coaches mentorship at coaching.com, explains why the coaches getting real value from AI start somewhere unexpected: writing down who they are. He walks through context engineering, operational AI that completes tasks on its own, and why the first step toward using the technology well is knowing yourself. A grounded, human-first take on a tool most people still misunderstand.

Get It Out of Your Head and Onto Paper: Colin Scotland on Why AI Rewards Coaches Who Know Themselves

You are the bottleneck in your own business. Elle Oren has seen it across tech giants and solo coaches alike. After years building go-to-market strategy for Microsoft, Cisco, and Equinix, Elle now helps small business owners shift from operator to owner. Your qualification is the delivery, not the solution. Build trust into the business instead of yourself, partner outward into an ecosystem, and you turn a job into an asset built to outlive you. A direct, practical conversation for any coach ready to think like a business owner.

You are the bottleneck in your own business. Elle Oren has seen it across tech giants and solo coaches alike. After years building go-to-market strategy for Microsoft, Cisco, and Equinix, Elle now helps small business owners shift from operator to owner. Your qualification is the delivery, not the solution. Build trust into the business instead of yourself, partner outward into an ecosystem, and you turn a job into an asset built to outlive you. A direct, practical conversation for any coach ready to think like a business owner.

Why Your Coaching Business Should Outlive You: Elle Oren on the Shift from Operator to Owner

Paul Dupuis turned around a failing operation of around 75,000 people by asking questions, not giving orders. The former Randstad India and Japan CEO joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to share his belief: the answers are in the room. Learn his three-question approach to listening, the power of "What if," and his E5 Movement model of leadership. A practical conversation for coaches and leaders who want to lead change without pretending to know everything.

Paul Dupuis turned around a failing operation of around 75,000 people by asking questions, not giving orders. The former Randstad India and Japan CEO joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to share his belief: the answers are in the room. Learn his three-question approach to listening, the power of "What if," and his E5 Movement model of leadership. A practical conversation for coaches and leaders who want to lead change without pretending to know everything.

The Answers Are in the Room: Paul Dupuis on Leading a Turnaround by Asking Better Questions

A podcast spot, a book, or a TV interview gets you noticed once. Then most experts go quiet, and the attention disappears.Dr. Trudy Beerman has produced hundreds of expert interviews as CEO of PSI TV. She holds a doctorate in strategic leadership from Liberty University. In this episode she explains the back end most experts forget.Visibility now decides who gets hired. Search engines and AI recommend the people who show up with relevance, recency, and repetition. Your name and message need to match across every platform, or the algorithm reads you as a stranger.Trudy and hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave map a clear starting point. Own your website first. Build outward from there. Play the long game, and your effort compounds.

A podcast spot, a book, or a TV interview gets you noticed once. Then most experts go quiet, and the attention disappears.Dr. Trudy Beerman has produced hundreds of expert interviews as CEO of PSI TV. She holds a doctorate in strategic leadership from Liberty University. In this episode she explains the back end most experts forget.Visibility now decides who gets hired. Search engines and AI recommend the people who show up with relevance, recency, and repetition. Your name and message need to match across every platform, or the algorithm reads you as a stranger.Trudy and hosts Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave map a clear starting point. Own your website first. Build outward from there. Play the long game, and your effort compounds.

The Back End Most Experts Forget: Dr. Trudy Beerman on Building Digital Authority

Being a great coach will not build your business. Brooke Summer Adams learned this the hard way before she went full-time.Known as The Coach's Coach, Brooke recovered from body image struggles through life coaching, built a six-figure business in 18 months, and now helps new coaches replace their salary and work for themselves. In this episode she names the split most coaches miss: coaching gives people what they need, while marketing gives people what they want. Two skill sets, two learning curves. She shares the three questions behind a strong personal brand and explains why the cringe of the early days is the price of entry, not a sign you chose wrong. Practical, direct, and honest about the work involved.

Being a great coach will not build your business. Brooke Summer Adams learned this the hard way before she went full-time.Known as The Coach's Coach, Brooke recovered from body image struggles through life coaching, built a six-figure business in 18 months, and now helps new coaches replace their salary and work for themselves. In this episode she names the split most coaches miss: coaching gives people what they need, while marketing gives people what they want. Two skill sets, two learning curves. She shares the three questions behind a strong personal brand and explains why the cringe of the early days is the price of entry, not a sign you chose wrong. Practical, direct, and honest about the work involved.

Being a Great Coach Is Not the Same as Building a Business: Brooke Summer Adams on 8 Years of Coaching Coaches

Clients pick coaches for authenticity, not credentials. That was the ICF finding 20 years ago, and Cynthia Loy Darst says it still holds.A co-active coaching pioneer since 1992, Cynthia helped found the ICF, served as ACTO president, and now oversees leader development at CTI. She talks with Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave about presence, the difficulty of self-curiosity, the inside team approach to internal voices, and where AI fits in coaching. Direct, grounded, and drawn from 34 years inside the profession.

Clients pick coaches for authenticity, not credentials. That was the ICF finding 20 years ago, and Cynthia Loy Darst says it still holds.A co-active coaching pioneer since 1992, Cynthia helped found the ICF, served as ACTO president, and now oversees leader development at CTI. She talks with Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave about presence, the difficulty of self-curiosity, the inside team approach to internal voices, and where AI fits in coaching. Direct, grounded, and drawn from 34 years inside the profession.

Why Most People Find Self-Curiosity So Hard: Cynthia Loy Darst on 34 Years of Co-Active Coaching

Most teams avoid the conversations that would solve their biggest problems. Gaby Jordan, founder of Source Elements Group, has spent 20+ years teaching leaders how to have them. A former Manhattan trial lawyer turned coach, Gaby has taught at MIT, NYU, Stanford, and over 80 institutions worldwide. She joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to unpack champion conversations, the role of agency in leadership, and why a $2 billion company hit its targets by focusing on people, not sales. A practical episode for coaches and leaders working with teams in transition.

Most teams avoid the conversations that would solve their biggest problems. Gaby Jordan, founder of Source Elements Group, has spent 20+ years teaching leaders how to have them.A former Manhattan trial lawyer turned coach, Gaby has taught at MIT, NYU, Stanford, and over 80 institutions worldwide. She joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to unpack champion conversations, the role of agency in leadership, and why a $2 billion company hit its targets by focusing on people, not sales. A practical episode for coaches and leaders working with teams in transition.

Champion Conversations and the Power of Agency: Gaby Jordan on Bridging Education and Business Through Coaching

Sports coach turned practice developer Simon Harling joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to challenge how coaches build their work. Author of Good Coach, Bad Coach, Simon brings 15+ years from pro football, squash, and national governing bodies into a conversation about environmental design, stakeholder alignment, and the tension between development and performance. Hear why moving from "am I good enough?" to "I know what my practice is for" changes everything, and how the conditions of practice matter more than chasing peak moments. Practical, direct, and grounded in real examples.

Sports coach turned practice developer Simon Harling joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to challenge how coaches build their work. Author of Good Coach, Bad Coach, Simon brings 15+ years from pro football, squash, and national governing bodies into a conversation about environmental design, stakeholder alignment, and the tension between development and performance. Hear why moving from "am I good enough?" to "I know what my practice is for" changes everything, and how the conditions of practice matter more than chasing peak moments. Practical, direct, and grounded in real examples.

From External Validation to Internal Belonging: Simon Harling on Designing a Coaching Practice That Works

Most leadership programs teach skills. Max Klau teaches wholeness. The founder of the Center for Courageous Wholeness and a Harvard-trained leadership scholar, Max joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain why shadow-integrated servant leadership is the missing piece in how we develop leaders. Learn why shadow is not the opposite of light, how a 90-minute session gets total strangers to share their shadow mission, and what the Inner Development Goals movement signals about where global leadership development is heading. If you work with leaders or are one, this conversation will change how you think about growth.

Most leadership programs teach skills. Max Klau teaches wholeness. The founder of the Center for Courageous Wholeness and a Harvard-trained leadership scholar, Max joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain why shadow-integrated servant leadership is the missing piece in how we develop leaders. Learn why shadow is not the opposite of light, how a 90-minute session gets total strangers to share their shadow mission, and what the Inner Development Goals movement signals about where global leadership development is heading. If you work with leaders or are one, this conversation will change how you think about growth.

Shadow-Integrated Servant Leadership: Max Klau on Why Wholeness Is the Missing Piece in Leadership Development

A horse won't follow you because of your title. It follows you because of your presence. Wencke Meteling, leadership coach and former historian, joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain how equine coaching makes invisible leadership patterns visible. From energy work in the arena to the lead rope team exercise, this episode connects somatic awareness, authentic presence, and practical leadership development in ways that stay with you long after the conversation ends.

A horse won't follow you because of your title. It follows you because of your presence. Wencke Meteling, leadership coach and former historian, joins Dr. Steve Jeffs and Erwin de Grave to explain how equine coaching makes invisible leadership patterns visible. From energy work in the arena to the lead rope team exercise, this episode connects somatic awareness, authentic presence, and practical leadership development in ways that stay with you long after the conversation ends.

What Horses Reveal About Leadership That Humans Miss: Wencke Meteling on Equine Coaching and Authentic Presence

82% of coaches fail within two years of starting a business. Laura Berman Fortgang, MCC, has spent 30 years solving that problem.Laura is a founding member of the International Coaching Federation, student number 16 at Coach U, and author of five books. She now runs the A-List Coach, a program for coaches who want to build a practice that actually works.In this episode, she shares why speaking is the fastest route to a full pipeline, how to handle sales calls the same way you handle a coaching conversation, and what the rise of AI means for the future of professional coaching.

82% of coaches fail within two years of starting a business. Laura Berman Fortgang, MCC, has spent 30 years solving that problem.Laura is a founding member of the International Coaching Federation, student number 16 at Coach U, and author of five books. She now runs the A-List Coach, a program for coaches who want to build a practice that actually works.In this episode, she shares why speaking is the fastest route to a full pipeline, how to handle sales calls the same way you handle a coaching conversation, and what the rise of AI means for the future of professional coaching.

The Business Skills Most Coaches Never Learn: Laura Berman Fortgang on 30 Years of Building a Coaching Practice

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