Rose hosts Daisy Christodoulou, Director of Education at No More Marking in the EdTech Podcast Zoom studio this week, discussing AI regulation, evidence and effectiveness, and student outcomes in AI assessment, and what we think the future of AI-powered education might look like, and why! In late March of this year, Professor Rose Luckin and Daisy Christodoulou spoke at the UK parliament’s Governance of Artificial Intelligence oral evidence session for education, and the discussion that took place was passionate and exciting.  A link to the video of the session is below in the Show Notes if you’d like to watch it yourself, but a lot of ground was covered, yet not as much as they wished!  The interest in AI and its governance is very intense at the moment.  The UK government had published a white paper setting out their proposed approach to the governance of AI and the indication from the paper was that rather than give responsibility for AI governance to a single new AI regulator, it intended to empower existing regulators, and that there were several that existed in the education sector already.  Other points raised during the session included the idea of teaching a degree of scepticism in the public’s understanding of AI, meaning that the public should not believe everything that something like ChatGPT, a large language model, returns, for instance, when queried.  Concerns about the speed of AI development were raised, there were questions on safeguarding, ethics, transparency, explainability, access to the technology, autonomy, adaptivity and more.  In today’s episode, we’d like to revisit those thoughts on AI regulation, evidence and effectiveness, student outcomes in AI assessment, and what we think the future of AI-powered education might look like and why…  Talking points and questions include:  Quality of evidence for improved student outcomes using AI  The value of assessment: how, when, why, and in what form  More discussion around the future of education with AI’s inclusion, and what we can do now  Material discussed in today’s episode includes: Science and Technology Committee Oral evidence: Governance of artificial intelligence – PDF transcript as well as link to the video on the first page Daisy Christodoulou Books Mindspark Research Impact The Skinny on AI for Education, EVR’s newest publication featuring insights, trends and developments in the world of AI Ed 

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#272 - Is Attention the Currency of Learning?

Rose plays host to Nina Huntemann, Chief Academic Officer of Chegg, and Lord Jim Knight, in the EdTech Podcast Zoom studio this week, attempting to understand how best to cut through the white noise surrounding AI's hype, misinformation, exaggeration and marketing, and determining just how positive for education AI can be if done responsibly. In our previous episodes on AI, Rose has been in conversation with universities from the US and the UK, examining what the role is for emerging technologies in higher education and what capacity exists to implement AI effectively.  The podcast also saw a contributions from Karine George in discussing whether or not the release and widespread use of ChatGPT has actually done education a favour.  Has its proliferation sparked debate about human cognition and limited understandings of AI, or initiated conversations in schools around digital transformation and strategy?     In this episode, we’d like to extend these same thoughts on AI to pedagogic effectiveness in education and academia, and how emerging technologies like AI can be incorporated into plans for companies’ commercial services.  Talking points in today's episode includes: The development of ethical AI in commercial enterprises and how they ensure their responsible technologies are developed Tensions between the wealth of AI tools available and regulation of the market and educational use of such technologies Assessing AI tools' effectiveness Cutting through the huge amount of hype, headlines, and sensationalism at the heart of the communications and marketing around AI Material discussed in today's episode includes: Yes, AI could profoundly disrupt education, but maybe that's not a bad thing, article in the Guardian UK Newspaper by Professor Rose Luckin Chegg's Centre for Digital Learning The Skinny on AI for Education, EVR's newest publication featuring insights, trends and developments in the world of AI Ed 

#271 - Cutting Through the Noise on AI in Education

Karine and Rose meet this week to discuss Ofsted ratings, how AI can transform teachers' day-to-day tasks, and interview friend and colleague Dr Fiona Aubrey Smith on the recent publication of her book: From EdTech to PedTech: Changing the Way We Think About Digital Technology.  Aimed at teachers and leaders looking to create greater impact on teaching and learning through the use of digital technology in schools, From EdTech to PedTech translates research on the effective integration of digital technology in education into relevant, accessible, and practical guidance for teachers and school leaders.  This much-needed handbook bridges the gap between knowing ‘what works’ and knowing how to make it work for you and your learners. Ofsted's rating can be transformative and catastrophic.  Given Karine's experience as a headteacher, what does she think of its one-word proclamations?  Also under discussion is the DfE's call for submission of evidence regarding the opportunities and risks of AI in education, and their recently published report on generative AI, available to view below. Material discussed in this episode includes: From EdTech to PedTech: Changing the Way we Think About Digital Technology UK Department for Education: Generative AI in Education: Departmental Statement Institute for Ethical AI in Education: Final Report OECD: Empowering Young Children in the Digital Age Machine Learning & Human Intelligence  To get the latest insights, trends and developments on AI for Education, subscribe to EVR's new fortnightly publication: The Skinny on AI for Education

#270 - Understanding Our Pedagogical Beliefs: From EdTech to PedTech

The fifth and final episode in the Evidence-Based EdTech miniseries produced by Professor Rose Luckin's EDUCATE Ventures Research, exploring education, research, AI and EdTech, and hosted on The Edtech Podcast The Evidence-Based EdTech miniseries connects, combines, and highlights leading expertise and opinion from the worlds of EdTech, AI, Research, and Education, helping teachers, learners, and technology developers get to grips with ethical learning tools led by the evidence. In our previous episode, Rose was in conversation with representatives from Make (Good) Trouble, Feminist Internet, and Soundwaves Foundation, an organisation pursuing technology to assist with deaf or hearing-impaired students in the classroom.  We asked a number of questions that centred around what inclusive technology looks like to each of the guests in the room, given that they had and worked with unique perspectives, and what their thoughts were around user agency and why it was so vital EdTech developers be mindful of this in the creation of their products.  Our last question was on what we should demand of technology that it cater to people from diverse backgrounds.  Was it data, the context, access, that allowed tech to help those from diverse backgrounds? In this episode, we’d like to extend these same thoughts on DEI and ethics outward, beyond the borders of the UK. We'll be asking: Are international education ecosystems implementing their diversity, equity and inclusion any differently from that of the UK?  What could be learned from them that EdTech developers and educationalists can adopt and use in the UK? From an international perspective, is the technology developed in the first world, but exported to the third, sensitive to the context of its use or too prescriptive?  And as an additional point, has the third world reshaped its attitudes towards diversity and ethics in technology in line with what it believes the first world will find desirable or employable? There’s rumour of national and international standards for good evidence in EdTech coming out of some countries, with presumably varying emphasis placed on adherence to these standards by different governments and regulatory bodies.  What is our guest's opinion on how robust they think regulation needs to be where EdTech evidence is concerned, and how strictly do they think such standards should be enforced when developing and using EdTech?           Our guest this week is Jane Mann, Managing Director for Cambridge Partnership for Education. With over two decades of experience in the education sector, as Managing Director of the Cambridge Partnership for Education Jane is now focused on working with ministries of education, government agencies, NGOs, donor agencies and educational organisations to advocate for, design and implement effective programmes of education transformation. The Cambridge Partnership for Education works across the globe in curriculum and assessment design and development, creation of teaching and learning resources, professional development, stakeholder engagement and English language learning and skills. Thank you to Cambridge Partnership for Education for sponsoring this episode, and for supporting the Evidence-Based EdTech series on the EdTech Podcast.

#269 - Creating the Conditions for Success

Karine and Rose meet this week to discuss how EdTech entrepreneurs and developers can evidence the impact of their products and services, with special guests Rajeshwari Iyer and Kavitha Ravindran of sAInaptic, the AI-powered EdTech app delivering interactive, instant, and personalised learning experiences for the UK's GCSE sciences. Also in the news are reports of 'learning poverty' as both UK and international publications warn of 'cracks in the foundations' of education: a quarter of a million children are entering secondary education without basic skills in maths and English.  Why is this happening, and with regard to maths, what technology exists to help solve the problem?  And how do we know whether or not this technology does what it claims?   To take part in the EDUCATE Programme, visit https://www.educateventures.com 

#268 - How to Prove Your EdTech Works

Hello everyone and welcome to The Edtech Podcast and this final episode in collaboration with EdSurge.  This is the last episode in a three-part series to explore the nuances of adult lifelong learners and what sparks their return to University. A shout out to WorkTripp and Lumina Foundation for supporting this episode, EdSurge for the amazing journalism, and great to have the learner voice front and centre in this mini-series. As always, do let us know what you think. Here we go….

#267 - What Does a College Degree Mean to a Returning Adult Student? (EdSurge on The Edtech Podcast (Second Acts Series, Episode 3))

Welcome to the fourth episode in a series produced by Professor Rose Luckin’s EDUCATE Ventures Research, exploring ‘Evidence-Based EdTech’, and hosted on The Edtech Podcast. For this episode we will examine topics such how we use existing technology to assist with DEI and ethics, and what we know of technology that does not include this perspective.  We ask why that might be, and we look at the art of data capture, and data irresponsibility: what are we capturing that we shouldn’t, who is being affected by our biases, and if this is a step in the development of technological interventions that organisations can afford to skip.  How do we mitigate systemic bias and scaled harm?  What are examples of inclusive technology that accommodate the learning styles, online behaviours, device access, and dis/abilities of learners?  Can we place more pressure on leadership in schools and institutions to incorporate inclusive technologies?  What do we know of user agency, and how does that affect the design and transparency of an EdTech solution?

#266 - Making EdTech More Inclusive

Karine and Rose meet this week to discuss Internet Safety with Edurio's Ernest Jenavs, and Natterhub's Caroline Allams.  The group will explore Edurio's Autumn 2022 report on Pupil Safeguarding, the reaction to Ofsted Chief Inspector Amanda Spielman's 'surprise' over mobile phone use in-class, and discuss good technology role-modelling for young people.

#265 - Internet Safety for Children

Bett is a gigantic trade show, with over 30,000 people coming to East London’s ExCel Centre every year, and 600 resource and solution providers exhibiting in its massive halls.  Amongst the new products, innovations, conversations and meetings, however, is the public, with that overriding question: what can I find here?  This week, we invite a teacher, educational technology researcher, and founder and CEO, to answer why they return to the show year after year, and what questions they ask of the technology on display, and the predictions made in the heart of the Bett arenas.

#264 - Understanding EdTech Buyers

The next Bett is being billed as the best Bett ever.  It’s always an important date on the education calendar, but what will make this one different?  Hear what Bett is doing differently, why it’s important, and what they'll be doing to measure whether or not it works. Here’s a hint: it’s all about the data.  

#263 - What Does Digital Transformation Look Like?

We examine AI and EdTech penetration in universities and what form that takes, what capacity exists to implement these changes effectively; we'll look at 21st Century HE learner needs, such as personalisation, recommendations, intelligent support, profiling and prompts; try to determine how to provide added value to university experience given the costs involved, and what the future of tech-enhanced HE could look like to help produce the best graduates possible.

#262 - Using AI in Higher Education

Welcome to this episode in our series produced by Professor Rose Luckin's EDUCATE Ventures Research, and hosted on The Edtech Podcast In this episode, Karine and Rose meet this week to discuss the Online Safety Bill, school absences, and ChatGPT, the latter of which has produced huge public debate, from teacher anxieties to developer felicitations, questions from parents, and columnist think pieces all around the presence of AI in the classroom.  With all of these concerns, however, is it possible that ChatGPT has done education a favour? OpenAI's ChatGPT is the third and latest version of their text-generating AI technology, and it's been trained on over 45 terabytes of data.  If that seems like a lot, it is: the entirety of English-language Wikipedia accounts for just 1% of that volume in comparison.  The talk of Twitter and intrigued educationalists in schools around the anglosphere, much of the discussion has been around its use as a replacement for human cognition: will students use it to cheat in essays and assessments?  Does its information retrieval dumb-down student opportunities for learning when material is simply parroted, rather than interrogated and the learning then applied in novel contexts?  In this week's episode, Karine and Rose discuss practical uses for this incredibly powerful tool, and explain why human and machine intelligence can work together successfully to improve teaching and learning, and our understanding of AI. Material discussed in this episode includes: Square Peg's new book by Fran Morgan and Ellie Costello, with Ian Gilbert: Square Pegs: Inclusivity, Compassion, and Fitting In - a Guide for Schools, available here EVR and Cambridge Partnership for Education's Covid-19 report: Shock to the System: Lessons from Covid-19, available here 

#261 - Has ChatGPT Done Education a Favour?

Welcome to this episode in our series produced by Professor Rose Luckin's EDUCATE Ventures Research, exploring 'Evidence-Based EdTech', and hosted on The Edtech Podcast This mini-series connects, combines, and highlights leading expertise and opinion from the worlds of EdTech, AI, Research, and Education, helping teachers, learners, and technology developers get to grips with ethical learning tools that are led by the evidence.  For this episode, Rose and Karine play host to Lord Jim Knight in the EdTech Podcast Zoom studio this week, and try to understand the arguments surrounding the establishment of Oak National Academy as an 'Arm's Length Body'. They dig into whether Oak Academy - an organisation providing an online classroom and resource hub and set up in the UK during the pandemic -  has shifted substantially from a well-intentioned response to Covid to something more challenging for the Edtech sector and potentially those it serves.  And finally, shout out to Rose, Karine and Jim for also digging into the world of ChatGPT and how we should start thinking of that within our classrooms and for our young people. Thank you to Learnosity for sponsoring this episode, and for supporting the Evidence-Based EdTech series on the EdTech Podcast.

#260 - Oak National Academy and 'Click-and-Pick' Curriculums

Hello everyone and welcome back to The Edtech Podcast, where we aim to improve the dialogue between “ed” and “tech” for better innovation and impact. In this series, sponsored by WorkTripp, we are looking at all things Future of Work, and how that intersects with learning, leadership, humans, and technology. In this episode, I'm chatting with author and founder Garry Pratt. We explore: The foundations of entrepreneurialism  The evolution of edtech (and the internet)  The science behind outdoor time, creativity and innovation (for entrepreneurs & educators) Show Notes and References   You can find links to any references from the episode in our show notes: https://theedtechpodcast.com/edtechpodcast. Tell us your story We'd love to hear your thoughts. Record a quick free voicemail via speakpipe for inclusion in the next episode. Or you can post your thoughts or follow-on links via twitter @podcastedtech or via The Edtech Podcast LinkedIn page or Instagram.

#259 - Outside Thinking, Innovation & Learning

Hello everyone and welcome to The Edtech Podcast and this episode in collaboration with EdSurge.  This is the second episode in a three-part series to explore the nuances of adult lifelong learners and what sparks their return to University. A shout out to WorkTripp and Lumina Foundation for supporting this episode, EdSurge for the amazing journalism, and great to have the learner voice front and centre in this mini-series. As always, do let us know what you think. 

#258 - EdSurge on The Edtech Podcast (Second Acts Series, Episode 2)

The mission of The Edtech Podcast is to improve the dialogue between ‘ed’ and ‘tech’ through storytelling, for better innovation and impact. Hosted by Rose Luckin, Professor of Learner-Centred Design at UCL and Founder and CEO of EDUCATE Ventures Research, using AI to measure the unmeasurable in education. The Edtech Podcast audience consists of education leaders from around the world, plus startups, learning and development specialists, bluechips, investors, Government and media. The Edtech Podcast is downloaded 2000+ each week from 145 countries in total, with UK, US & Australia the top 3 downloading countries. Podcast series have included Future Tech for Education, Education 4.0, and The Voctech Podcast, Learning Continued, Evidence-Based EdTech, and the upcoming AI in Ed: Our Data-Driven Future series on AI. Send your qs and comments to @PodcastEdtech, @knowldgillusion, theedtechpodcast@gmail.com, hello@educateventures.com or https://theedtechpodcast.com/ or leave a voicemail for the show at https://www.speakpipe.com/theedtechpodcast

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