In this deeply intimate and courageous interview interdisciplinary artist Leon Clowes talks about early childhood trauma and the impact on his life and art. Leon shares the experience of being brought up by his grandparents and not finding out who his father was until he was in his 40’s. His project ‘Nan Kids’ explores kinship care in more detail. Find Leon on Instagram 4th-10th October is Kinship Care week     CW: Adoption, trauma, addiction, sexual violence, family secrets  Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg 

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106. Leon Clowes - Mindset is Everything

London-based textile artist Gina Morton shares her experience of art school, how making art has helped her connect with her mother and understand her mother’s mental illness. She also talks about the support of being part of the  ‘Luna Artist Collective’ and her upcoming show at ‘The Other Art Fair’. Gina's Instagram Show host - Alba Frederick Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

105. Gina Morton - Stitching Empathy

Naomi and Kate Codrington have a in-depth chat about the menopause, the opportunity to resolve lifelong issues and why all roads lead to the safety and sanctity of vulnerability and tenderness. Kate’s book ‘Second Spring’ is being published by Harper Collins in February 2022. You can find Kate on instagram here Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg  

104. Kate Codrington - Second Spring

Megan Elizabeth Taylor Hogg is visual artist, new mother, Art Psychotherapist trainee and lecturer based in Edinburgh. We discuss her becoming a mum, our dead mums, art’s power to heal, and how Megan’s artwork has had to shift with her new life.  Megan's website. Megan on Instagram and Twitter. Show host - Alba Frederick Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

103. Megan Elizabeth Taylor Hogg - A Constant Evolution

Angela Alberto Heartwise Woman talks about her fascinating work as a death midwife, anti-diet work, what it means to fully surrender to what our bodies are asking for and how liberating that can be.  Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

102. Angela Alberto Heartwise Woman - To Fully Surrender

Poet, translator, critic, tutor and poetry mentor Katrina Naomi escaping a difficult home life when she was young, her life changing poetic journey and how important moving to Cornwall has been for both her physical and mental health.  Katrina on Twitter  Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

101. Katrina Naomi - An Enduring Passion

For the 100th episode The Two of us show hosts Naomi Woddis and Alba Frederick have a freewheeling conversation about the history of the show, visions for the future and why exploring the links between creativity, mental health and emotional well-being is so important to both of them.  Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg 

100. Naomi Woddis and Alba Frederick - Us Two

Performance and video artist Paula Varjack talks about her creative process, entertainment and discomfort, the audience as a collective and the importance of inviting new ways of seeing and thinking. She also shares her experience of being an outsider, her grief journey and a new relationship to gardening.  Paula on social media - Twitter  and Instagram  Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg  

99. Paula Varjack - A Profound Change

Performance artist, educator and fitness instructor Kat François talks about the power of words and creativity in her life, the process of grieving, and her Adenomyosis diagnosis. CW: Grief, Diagnosis of Adenomyosis Kat’s fitness page Show host - Alba Frederick Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

98. Kat François - Claiming Space

Poet Jill Abram talks about how discovering the poetry community meant finding 'her people'. She talks about loneliness and why lockdown has been hard for her as an extrovert.  Jill on Twitter Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg 

97. Jill Abram - Finding my Community

Artist and 'Floopers creator' bitsifind talks about body acceptance, her art journey, and how art has helped her through an abusive relationship.  CW: Domestic abuse  Referenced links:  Bath image by bitsifind Trauma bonding by bitsifind Song mentioned: All I want by Kodaline At your own pace: by Nicole Chui Show host - Alba Frederick  Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

96. bitsifind - Drawing into My Emotions

Writer Courttia Newland talks about his writing process, coming of age in the 1980’s and his experience of writing for Steve McQueen’s Small Axe series. He reads from his astounding new novel A River Called Time.  Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg

95. Courttia Newland - Kindness and Resilience

Mental Health and Wellbeing Creative Practitioner Deborah Porter shares her process of art journaling and how fundamental it has been to her mental health. She talks about her recovery journey from alcoholism and bulimia as well as her work in community as a creative facilitator. CW: Addiction recovery, eating disorders, pet loss. You can find Deborah on twitter, instagram and facebook. Show host - Naomi Woddis Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg 

94. Deborah Porter - Gaining Self Respect

Syd Langton of Langton Taxidermy talks about her journey into taxidermy, her motivation and love of nature, and navigating life during lockdown.  Syd on Facebook CW: the process of taxidermy, death of brother. Show host - Alba Frederick Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg 

93. Syd Langton - Giving Nature a Second Life

  Naomi talks to photographic artist Rachel Wright about her relationship to nature and change, her breast cancer journey and the inspiration provided by collaborating with other artists. CW: Breast cancer  Show host - Naomi Woddis  Originally broadcast on Reel Rebels Radio Music : Gavin O’Brien - Citóg  

92. Rachel Wright - Sparked by Curiosity

A podcast with the immediacy of a live radio show, hosted by photographer and writer Naomi Woddis. In each episode Naomi asks artists and writers sensitive and thought-provoking questions around mental health and creativity. The interviews are fearlessly honest and intimate. The Two of Us began on community radio station Reel Rebels Radio.

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