Wayne, Lt. Jim Kneeland, and reformed poacher Scott Gray gather to discuss Scott's poaching scheme that started in the 1990s. He took poaching to a new level. He practiced at home to see how how quiet he could make his weapons, buried a freezer in his shed, and believe it or not, once took the warden's entry test. Wayne discusses with Scott and Lt. Kneeland, Scott's tactics, preparation, and to what extent he took his illegal craft, and how it all changed one day. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Warden's Watch

073 Scott Gray - Reformed Poacher

Jamie McCallum Ph.D. brings a unique set of experience to the enormous challenges of environmental protection. Combining his doctorate in Biological Sciences and decade in conservation with his early career in high-end corporate sponsorship; Jamie founded Force For Nature.  Backed by leading conservation groups, global media partners and the world’s biggest brands, Jamie focused on a human based solution to many of the world’s environmental problems - wildlife Rangers. Supporting and guiding them to be more effective can ensure that the resources upon which we all depend can theoretically last for ever.Back in 2008, in a bid to pursue his lifelong passion for environmental protection, Jamie left a thriving career in sports sponsorship (Usain Bolt, IMG, Ferrari F1 and Orange) and media (BBC, Discovery) to study for a Ph.D. in Biological Sciences. His research with the US National Park Service on the US-Mexico border used cutting edge technology to help improve management of protected areas. He then set up and ran the Technology Programme at the Zoological Society of London (ZSL), including the management of a Citizen Science App and the development of software and hardware for field staff. These projects were facilitated through partnerships with Google, Iridium and Microsoft Research. Since 2015 he has been the UK/EU Director for Peace Parks Foundation (PPF). As well as fundraising and partnership management, Jamie operates closely with field teams on resource protection, community development and management training tools. He also works with the Southern African Wildlife College, which trains hundreds of conservation staff each year and he advises the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) on protected area effectiveness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TGL022 Jamie McCallum - Force for Nature

Benny Richards is a former Game Warden for Hunt County, Texas. Richards worked for over 25 years for the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife, and is well known for his appearances on “Lone Star Law”. During his time as a warden, he earned accomplishments such as the Texas Parks and Wildlife Officer of the Year (2015) and the Shikar-Safari International Wildlife Officer of the year award. In this episode, Wayne interviews Benny on his role as a Texas warden and the stories of “Lone Star Law”. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: “Tales of a Texas Game Warden” by Benny Richards Virtual book signing: December 2nd at 7:00pm Recently retired Everything is real New season of Lone Star Law is coming Game warden and peace officer First interaction with a game warden Different trails Cocaine in the taxi cab Dirty deeds under the cover of dark Trip to jail makes them pass out Phones change everything Moving the bucket Watch to get evidence Wardens answer more than just outdoor calls Housing development Landowner permission Diverse environment  Upcoming children’s book Moose antler Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

072 Benny Richards - Texas

Jeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career.  In this episode, Jeff speaks on his interviewing techniques, best stories, and more. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: There's no end to it, stick new stuff in Compliance increase after communication skills increases Catfish case Killed 24,000 fish, 600 bullfrogs Boat accident Published poaching  Hotel deer 25 illegal racoons  The Beagle  Making a case out of an interview A person can only control their body language for so long Everyone can learn it A dead eagle  Columbo style Baile & Associates courses Administrative and teacher classes Different prongs Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

071 Jeff Baile - Illinois Part II

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070B Jeff Baile - The Wave - Bonus

Jeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career. In this episode, Jeff speaks on his interviewing techniques, best stories, and more. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Conservation police Getting into a niche What do you need to do in interrogation  Mobile training unit Body language and lie detection are two different animals Interview before interrogation Gather facts Retell the story Truth never changes Getting good at interviews Suppressing “we”  Conservation - specific course Use both police and conservation examples Interrogating our kids Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

070 Jeff Baile - Illinois Part One

Bud Carr is a search and rescue expert in the upper northwest of the United States. Carlton “Bud” Carr Jr. was born in 1978 in California’s San Bernardino Valley. He moved to Colorado as a child and now lives in northwest Washington in a small, rented home on the Skagit River with his wife and three children. He’s a journeyman carpenter, although he’s worked a grab bag of blue-collar jobs, but also has an education in wilderness survival. Carr played and explored in the mountains growing up, and his dad would quiz Bud on what to do if he got stranded on that mountain road. Go to the creek. Follow the creek to the river. Follow the river to civilization. Bud learned how to hunt, to build shelters, to insulate himself with leaves and how to travel in the mountains. A self-described mountain man, Carr is an enthusiastic storyteller, one who uses every inch of his 5-foot-11 frame to elucidate and elaborate, his gestures those of a college theater major, albeit a tattooed and felonious one. He’s prone to long rants, but is also a good listener, happy to suspend a story, although he almost always picks it up later. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TGL021 Bud Carr

Jeffrey Milner is a conservation warden and K9 unit coordinator working for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. He has been working for over 27 years, 23 of those as a K9 handler. Throughout his time as a K9 officer and coordinator, Jeffrey has trained a multitude of dogs and has also had many of his own. He also helped found the Conservation Canine Officers Association. In this episode, Jeffrey tells some of his many stories that he has collected over the years.  Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: K9s are embedded in our organization  Jeffrey’s background Knocking on the game warden’s door 1 lab turned into 11 labs Only 9 other agencies that had K9 agencies Dogs are an introduction  Dogs help to bridge the message of conservation First partner Indiana is one of the biggest K9 agencies in the country Primarily labrador retrievers I name my dogs with purpose Journey: running a track on suspects Different terrain holds scent differently You have to love it to do it Voyage’s best track - lifesaving Fury: ginseng diggers  When you put value on a resource people will exploit it Koda: in training Training schools From no members to 108 members in the CCOA When I hang up my K9 shoes, the program is in good hands Facility Jason Lagore - Ohio Follow and like Conservation Canine Officers Association on Facebook Tight budgets People will know a dog’s name 20 years later Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

069 Jeffrey Milner - Indiana

Alex Baer has a passion for the outdoors, wildlife, and his lifelong search for new ways to accomplish meaningful work has led him to a new position as COO with IHEA-USA. Alex is directly contributing to the growth and development of hunter education while continuing to further R3 initiatives for the industry. Before joining the IHEA-USA, Alex consulted on projects for private industry as well as the Council to Advance Hunting and the Shooting Sports as well as the National Wildlife Turkey Federation. Prior to that, Alex was the Sales Director at onXmaps contributing to their significant growth for 5 years while also acting as R3 Coordinator for onX where he built partner relationships with conservation NGOs, industry associations, and state and wildlife organizations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TGL021 Alex Baer

Counselor Paula Booth has been working with law enforcement officers and other clients for over 35 years with the state of New Hampshire. Her unique knowledge of critical incidents and trauma response has made her a valuable asset to many agencies. She is also the director for the New Hampshire Employee Assistant Program. Paula has a masters degree in clinical social work from Boston University, is a member of the National Academy of Certified Social Workers, and is nationally certified as an employee assistance professional. Additionally, she has served as the president of the Grant State employee assistant program. Paula works on the governor and attorney general’s commission on domestic violence, and is an advisor to the state government's decision makers.Her lectures at conferences, community events, and state sponsored events are well renowned. To Wayne, Paula Booth was his counselor after the critical incident that took place in Colebook in which he was shot. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Introduction to Paula Booth Counseling is very different in today’s world Wayne’s breaking point Counseling is for everyone Everyone has a critical incident in their life Healthy people get help Education on counseling to law enforcement We ask for help all the time, why not this? Affects officers, family members, peers Academy program: stress management in law enforcement Traumatic experience from those that were on vacation Critical incident tools Simple, briefs directives Eat something simple Don’t fill the silence Look into programs Supervisors and peers watch you Don’t use a cookie cutter approach Connection is important I’ve got the best job in the world Make it palatable If I didn’t have counseling, I wouldn’t have finished my career Horrible week for New Hampshire Approach it from a problem solving perspective Make the appointment, you can always cancel it Give and take Uniform represents so much Partners and supporters take the journey too Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

068 The Colebrook Murders Part IV - Featuring Counselor Paula Booth

Colonel Kevin Jordan has worked for the New Hampshire Department of Fish and Game for over 20 years. After the Colebrook Murders, he became a critical incident specialist. In this episode, Wayne discusses the Colebrook Murders with Colonel Jordan and how each of them experienced the situation.   Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Field day in Quebec Weren’t aware two were murdered 5 crime scenes, many different units Couldn’t talk on the radio, too much chatter I could hear Wayne screaming Went to grab two deer rifles, raced to confront John had his fingers embedded in my dash as I went 100 mph I was livid he shot you, I wanted to kill him The troopers had a look about them Dispatchers were crying on the radio He went home to change and shave Laying across the dash, looked like he committed suicide Both shoot at the same time; Drega wearing campaign hat If you engage him, you’ll have to kill him I know what type of guy I am now You can train someone, but you don’t know how they’ll react in fight or flight He was on the bank; changed our plan 98 shots fired Drega was dead  I decided I needed a cigarette Both sides of the road were lined with cruisers I thought I was gonna get fired His house had bombs in it Ran to the bathroom and threw up Some will defend Drega; there will be funerals Went to visit Wayne in a packed cruiser Cheers when Wayne came back; brought to tears Ordered to go to counseling New equipment after the event Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

067 The Colebrook Murders Part III - Featuring Kevin Jordan

In this episode our two hosts become an interviewer and an interviewee. In 1997, a rogue gunman began a violent rampage in the town of Colebrook. One of the responding officers, Warden Wayne Saunders of New Hampshire was injured in an attempt to apprehend the subject. The badge he wore on that day deflected the bullet shot by the suspect and saved his life. In this episode Wayne tells his personal account of that day and how it affected his life. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Episode dedicated to Senior Corporal Jeff Neal of Hope, Arkansas Dedicated to Scott Phillips and Leslie Lord, New Hampshire State Police Survived a critical incident in a small town A regular day with a field day the next day Report of a stolen cruiser, possibly by a kid “Turn off your blue lights” Jurisdictional issues in mind Dust hanging under a bridge pass Man with a campaign hat pointing a gun 15 yards away Cover and concealment Everything was in slow motion, yelled at people in a restaurant to leave  Backed up slow, then fast into a tree I didn’t know what was going on Center of the badge was shot off Ricochet of the 7 rounds Don’t my boots; sorry I wrecked the cruiser Shredded my bicep, scarred to this day Found out what happened from the news Staying in the fight even when injured From the hospital to funerals  Brothers holding me up Improving communication, switched rifles New York response team It takes a horrible incident for improvement The only woman that made me cry: physical therapist breaking down scar tissue Negative comments made me transfer Critical incident fallout; learning experience Worse for your partner to get shot than to be the victim Physical and mental pain I always wanted to be the cowboy in the woods, no one would take that for me Brought game wardens to state police with shooting pay support We’re always on duty More tools available now Pack of wardens Usually not next to cruiser People hide and hide things in the woods Educate the public on what we go through Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

066 The Colebrook Murders Part II - My Badge Saved My Life

As deer season opens across the country for 2021, we open up a conservation conversation with Kip Adams, the director of the Nation Deer Association. Kip is a certified wildlife biologist and QDMA's Director of Conservation. He has a bachelor's degree in wildlife and fisheries science from Penn State University and a master's in wildlife from the University of New Hampshire. He's also a certified taxidermist. Before joining QDMA, Kip was the deer and bear biologist for the New Hampshire Fish & Game Department. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TGL020 Kip Adams

Richard Carey is the author of the book “In That Evil Day” in which he discusses the events of the violent 1997 shooting in Colebrook, New Hampshire in which Wayne Sanders was shot. Richard grew up in Connecticut and attended Harvard. He moved around the country while writing various books that are acclaimed by The New York Times, Alaska Magazine, and more. In this interview, Carry explains his background, research for the book, the community around Colebrook, and much more. Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: The Colebrook Murders Putting the puzzle pieces together Not enough exposure on the event Listings in a telephone book Went about the book stupidly Battle between burying the incident and opening up Expected to “suck it up” after incidents Challenge: freedom of information Dissecting the documents; generosity of agencies No sense of competition in law enforcement Not a typical true crime book Mindset of those in the community Flirtations with militia groups National problem with little reporting Breakdown of the incident The good out of the incident Civilian heroes  Outsider looking in to insider looking in Book title Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

065 The Colebrook Murders Part I - Ft. Richard Adams Carey

Lonnie Sushil is a game warden with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (SA), and is the Commander of the SA Special Operations Group (SOG). Florida’s SOG group was created after 9/11 and focuses on homeland security as well as public service. Lonnie commands 14 operators in the alpha south region of the state.  Our Sponsors:  Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Merging of Thin Green Line into Warden’s Watch Lonnie’s background Creation of SOG in Florida Duties of the group Diversity of warden training Ecosystem differences within Florida SOG is a collateral duty Collaborative training Picking out the oddities Academy and training Female officers Assess people up front Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

064 Lonnie Sushil - Florida

This podcast brings you stories from Game Warden’s across the world. Listen to their favorite cases, worst cases, what led them to their career, and what makes their job unique. Hosted by retired game warden, Wayne Saunders.

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